Luis Camilo: The journey from an Airport Security person to Software Architect (Ep 27)

[0:00] all right Lewis thank you so much for
[0:03] accepting my request for this podcast
[0:05] interview
[0:06] I started a few months ago from the
[0:10] college from your first job to now what
[0:13] was the journey look like
[0:14] and then we go deeper into different
[0:17] emotions different uh different time
[0:19] frame I know Lewis for almost 10 years
[0:22] now Luis you're somebody who inspired me
[0:26] in terms of
[0:29] your passion toward the technology your
[0:33] passion towards solutioning your passion
[0:36] toward
[0:37] um
[0:38] making
[0:40] something great
[0:42] so to the audience uh share huluises yes
[0:49] um so my name is Luis Camilo I'm a
[0:53] um so far architect slash devops for
[0:56] Avenue Health
[0:57] um for our digital group
[1:00] um
[1:01] I've been working for having health for
[1:04] um it's been like over 10 years yeah
[1:06] this
[1:08] and as of any mentioned like um as you
[1:11] mentioned like I helped with devops
[1:12] recently I've been working with
[1:15] different like other Solutions so for
[1:16] integration and helping integrate like
[1:18] systems such as like five nine and
[1:20] Salesforce
[1:22] um
[1:22] yes that's I think that's
[1:26] I mean there's a lot of other things and
[1:27] sharing if you want yeah we'll come to
[1:29] that yeah we'll go deeper into
[1:31] everything that Lewis has done and you
[1:33] will be amazed by
[1:36] what all Luis has done
[1:38] um so Louis what you wanted to become
[1:41] when you was in high school
[1:43] when I was in high school I I did High
[1:46] School in Dominican Republic
[1:49] um I went to become an accountant which
[1:52] it was kind of weird because
[1:55] um
[1:56] ever since like eighth grade I worked
[1:59] with computers like I was learning how
[2:01] to program
[2:02] I I sent my own computer I fixed
[2:06] computers for my neighbors
[2:07] my dad had like an electronic shop kind
[2:10] of like a tiny project for you to like
[2:12] fix TVs and stuff like that
[2:14] and I used to help them even like we
[2:16] built like fix uh like speakers we built
[2:19] the speakers you know when people broke
[2:20] them we we uh wired the speaker and fix
[2:23] things like that and those islands
[2:25] people try to like repair things more
[2:27] than just fine because it's cheaper
[2:29] and um I used to work with computer and
[2:32] technology related stuff but I wanted to
[2:35] become a
[2:36] an accountant which is what you're doing
[2:39] and my mother is the one she told me you
[2:41] know what you have like a call for this
[2:43] you should be looking more into like
[2:44] Computer Engineering versus like
[2:46] computer science and versus trying to
[2:49] become an accountant yeah
[2:51] and um I started looking into like more
[2:53] like my passion because okay I was
[2:55] that's what the same way that you see me
[2:56] I was very passionate about computers
[2:58] but for whatever reason I thought that
[2:59] would become an accountant yeah
[3:01] yep
[3:03] okay so that that did answer one of the
[3:06] questions that I had that out of 100
[3:08] things that you could have done why you
[3:12] came why you
[3:13] yeah found your career in the computer
[3:17] yeah yes yeah it's actually mostly more
[3:20] it felt like more of a calling than
[3:23] sorry the call and I execute it first
[3:25] which is weird before I started thinking
[3:27] that's why I wanted to Performance in my
[3:28] life for example even in high school
[3:30] like we have to do like we took like
[3:32] introduction to computer first second
[3:34] generation stuff like that an
[3:36] introduction to Cubase I think uh
[3:39] operating systems and
[3:41] I didn't have to start it but I just
[3:43] clicked in my head but I didn't want to
[3:45] study that I mean now that I didn't want
[3:46] to study I didn't think that was a call
[3:49] my calling yeah that was such a thing
[3:50] that happened in another place
[3:52] yeah uh but my mom is someone who like I
[3:55] said like you need to be evaluate
[3:57] yourself and I'm thinking like why am I
[3:59] thinking like this way when I I'm so
[4:01] passionate about it if there's a
[4:04] suggestion for anybody out there
[4:06] sometimes it's good if you don't know
[4:07] what you want to do to ask other people
[4:09] what do you think my calling is saying
[4:10] why they can help you identify like the
[4:12] things that like what you mentioned like
[4:14] you're very passionate about that you
[4:15] might be passionate about something and
[4:16] you probably don't notice how good you
[4:18] are on that or you think it's like it's
[4:20] easy for you probably not easy for older
[4:22] people
[4:23] for people around you know like hey you
[4:25] know what like you you kind of excel in
[4:26] this area you might want to like if I
[4:28] listen bother you like to see if that's
[4:30] actually okay so other people can help
[4:31] you identify it and in my case it was my
[4:34] mother well me I didn't Define that so
[4:36] you suggest uh around that age like 10 I
[4:39] mean high school and even after pass out
[4:42] you suggest asking other people other
[4:44] people even even if you're not um even
[4:46] if you're like some people start college
[4:48] don't know like what they want okay but
[4:51] people can actually help you like hey
[4:52] you know you
[4:54] you have these qualities and you
[4:55] probably don't even know that you can
[4:56] you do have it or you think that one of
[4:58] the things like what they call an
[4:59] imposter syndrome
[5:01] or you think you're not good enough in
[5:03] something yeah but you might be Excel at
[5:05] that because you think it's easy for you
[5:06] I think it's easy for everybody else
[5:07] myself is truly going mad he thinks that
[5:11] it's easy for everybody I said no no
[5:12] believe me it's not that easy yeah so
[5:16] that I think like it's good to ask other
[5:17] people what do you see me like and you
[5:20] get feedback from other people they'll
[5:21] tell you hey you're here it's good to it
[5:24] doesn't mean that it'll be like all the
[5:26] answers but it'll help you do you have
[5:28] imposter syndrome
[5:30] ah do I have impossible I do think I
[5:33] have some sort of idea at least like
[5:34] that's the feedback I get from people
[5:36] because when um
[5:40] sometimes I think I'm not good enough on
[5:42] what I'm doing and I was trying to it
[5:44] also helps me to try to become better
[5:48] um uh sometimes I said sometimes I say
[5:50] myself for failure without even knowing
[5:53] but um I have heard that for many
[5:55] multiple people saying like you know
[5:56] you're better gonna get what you think
[5:58] you are you know you are an excellent
[6:00] yeah like you are a role model for many
[6:02] people thank you
[6:05] here we go yeah
[6:07] so Luis After High School
[6:11] um College I'm assuming yeah and what
[6:15] happened from college during the college
[6:18] and then what was the journey look like
[6:20] so when in Dominican Republic when uh
[6:24] right after I graduated I graduated from
[6:26] high school I started working in the
[6:28] computer field okay by the way and I
[6:30] started going to college
[6:32] and working at the same time I
[6:37] um I'm going to hold database for it to
[6:38] see something there but anyways um
[6:40] because I love reading about databases
[6:43] and
[6:44] system design ever since then but
[6:46] anyways they started uh College in ndr
[6:49] um before I finished
[6:51] um my mom and my dad had a divorce so we
[6:54] moved to the United States my mother my
[6:56] sister and I and that was in 2001.
[7:00] and when we moved I had to become the
[7:03] dad of the family so like I had to
[7:05] support my mom and my sister because my
[7:06] dad was not there and it was actually
[7:09] something kind of hard because I had to
[7:10] stop doing I was already
[7:12] applied computer science for about
[7:15] Computer Engineering managing databases
[7:17] stuff like that to become a customer
[7:19] service area is actually a security
[7:20] agent learning how to speak English I
[7:23] didn't even know how to speak English
[7:24] I did not know how are you how old were
[7:27] you at that time I was 20 years old it
[7:31] was 2001 I was 20 years old yeah it was
[7:33] August 1st
[7:34] 2001 when I moved here
[7:37] and when I moved uh my mother my sister
[7:41] and I I did not know how to speak
[7:43] English I had to teach myself how to
[7:45] speak English by working security
[7:47] and working in customer service agent
[7:49] right after that for an airline yeah
[7:51] whatever security agent uh it's actually
[7:54] right before TSA like the airport okay
[7:57] okay so
[7:59] if you're talking about having a goal
[8:01] and then being deterred yeah it was
[8:03] completely a detour on my journey
[8:06] so yeah I became
[8:08] the dad of the family I had to start
[8:10] taking online classes for web
[8:12] development
[8:13] one I'm actually
[8:15] um that was actually sorry I apologize I
[8:17] jumped on one part of it I made my wife
[8:20] which then we had a baby
[8:23] and I had to help her then raise the
[8:25] baby while I went to school online yeah
[8:28] you found her here not from now India
[8:31] okay I met her like yeah yeah so I
[8:35] worked for Airlines although in at the
[8:37] airport all the way till 2006. that's
[8:40] actually when I first found my first job
[8:42] here in the United States uh yeah that's
[8:44] quite after I graduated from taking
[8:46] online classes yeah it was actually well
[8:48] development but I graduated from from
[8:50] the Art Institute of Pittsburgh not a
[8:52] computer science directly
[8:54] but uh that was my first job back so I
[8:57] had a gap of probably like about five
[9:00] years like completely away from
[9:01] computers yeah just I mean I did well do
[9:04] myself online and all that but it was
[9:06] here
[9:07] so where were you practicing because did
[9:09] you have a computer at that time oh yes
[9:12] yeah I mean I still like on the side I
[9:16] um
[9:18] fix people computers
[9:20] I um I went through like the a plus
[9:23] certification exam and I was like just
[9:24] for like knowing how like hardware and
[9:27] all that just took I'm just trying to
[9:28] get into the field yeah then I started
[9:30] talking about development
[9:31] in databases online classes uh in um got
[9:36] trained on the but that's actually how I
[9:38] did it yeah I was lucky that I worked um
[9:42] by his claim and what I used to do is
[9:45] while on the example between planes I
[9:46] used to study them at that time
[9:48] so when we were waiting for a plane we
[9:51] should buy my books and just started all
[9:52] the time
[9:58] and everything that I learned I practice
[10:00] it by writing it that's why I mean like
[10:03] he was writing on a notepad programs uh
[10:06] I had those notepads up to like two
[10:09] years ago when I threw them away but I
[10:10] have no tax I would love to have a video
[10:13] or picture of that to add as a video
[10:15] yeah do you have a picture or something
[10:17] I'll see if I can find it but like um
[10:21] I had no but after notepad from like
[10:23] from PHP to Java to C to HTML to CSS I I
[10:30] remember
[10:31] there was a time that I remember going
[10:33] to the when I was starting HTML like
[10:35] that's actually just like what if I'm
[10:36] not like talking about just one
[10:37] development I went to the
[10:40] um
[10:41] Apple's website I liked how they did the
[10:44] rollovers I could not I didn't have time
[10:46] to check it at home instead at home so I
[10:48] painted all the acml all the CSS
[10:51] and during breaks I used to break it
[10:53] apart look at it
[10:55] take notes highlight
[10:57] and understand how like they were doing
[11:00] the animation with JavaScript or css and
[11:03] I even had like um
[11:05] they were doing Sprites that's how we
[11:07] learned about what the Sprites were back
[11:08] then I would see how they were doing
[11:10] Sprites because I'm afraid to print even
[11:12] the images and I noticed the images were
[11:14] surprised I'm like what's this and then
[11:16] I look thankfully the class things were
[11:18] surprisingly that's how I I said but
[11:21] like for six years I printed and read a
[11:24] lot and wrote about it yes and I'll see
[11:28] if I can find one like hopefully have
[11:29] one of them I did throw a lot of them
[11:31] away but I probably have one of them
[11:32] I'll check when I get back on
[11:35] okay
[11:37] foreign
[12:07] [Music]
[12:16] and
[12:21] what was your timing
[12:23] at uh airport what was your job timing
[12:27] what do you mean like the schedule yeah
[12:31] um that's another one that I wish I want
[12:33] to see if I can find a check because I
[12:35] used to work from 17
[12:37] to like sometimes 21 hours a day what
[12:40] yeah and this is actually I used to wake
[12:44] up go to the airport at five in the
[12:46] morning
[12:46] there was a thing that I got at the
[12:49] airport at five in the morning and I got
[12:50] out of seven in the morning of the
[12:52] following day because the point was like
[12:54] Philadelphia
[12:59] they had a mess and the plane showed up
[13:01] at five in the morning she was 24 hours
[13:04] last week 24 hours
[13:07] and all the facts were missing and I was
[13:10] the only person in the virus Clan
[13:12] and I had to help like put all the
[13:14] claims because none of the back showed
[13:16] up for three hours
[13:17] yeah it was actually that that was over
[13:20] 24 hours so I'm assuming you get you
[13:22] used to get the overtime and overtime
[13:24] directories are double after eight hours
[13:25] yeah yeah so it was actually in like
[13:28] it's like when you look at that it's
[13:29] actually the amount of hours I work for
[13:31] AirTran it was actually I don't even
[13:33] think that was illegal to be honest how
[13:35] did you get the energy and inspiration
[13:37] to do this extra course
[13:41] what is
[13:43] one thing that I always say is actually
[13:45] are there one of the
[13:49] thing I notice is that when you're there
[13:52] everybody around you was going to tell
[13:54] you that it's impossible
[13:55] you cannot be everybody I never saw
[13:58] anyone to tell me that Luis you can do
[14:00] it
[14:01] everybody was actually that's important
[14:03] there's no way you can do it yeah but
[14:05] what it did is I didn't say people
[14:07] around you look your co-workers your
[14:08] circle will do that
[14:11] um now the people who don't know how
[14:13] many hours you're working
[14:15] I Remember by the way there were two
[14:17] Indian guys that used to work and live
[14:18] in the same complex and go to the pool
[14:20] with them and one of them told me like
[14:22] just go online and take online classes
[14:24] learn and you'll get it yeah
[14:27] in something I said in my head is
[14:29] actually if other people can do it or
[14:32] maybe I don't know anyone if anybody can
[14:34] do it and get a job like why they can't
[14:35] like if if somebody like all I need is
[14:38] just to put the time put the time to
[14:39] learn and if somebody like is that
[14:41] impossible to do it's possible so what I
[14:43] did is like I did that I used to look at
[14:45] the schedule of the plans and it should
[14:47] create a schedule around that about how
[14:49] I would actually learn and take my my
[14:50] classes
[14:52] um thankfully
[14:53] working for an online allowed me to do
[14:55] things between planes for one of the
[14:57] jobs not customer service when there
[14:59] were eight hours that I couldn't do that
[15:00] when I was doing overtime it was easier
[15:02] because it was still working back is
[15:03] playing when you're doing customer
[15:05] service you're upstairs doing that you
[15:06] can you can have it
[15:08] but uh what like what inspired me to
[15:10] that is just knowing that someone out
[15:13] there is showing me a job that I can do
[15:15] if I learn the right skills yes
[15:19] so if anything that you have in your
[15:22] head I mean in my opinion the way I
[15:23] think it's like if you have a goal in
[15:25] your head and you say I want to become
[15:27] this person
[15:31] anyone in my opinion any human being can
[15:34] achieve that as soon as you put the time
[15:37] the effort to put it to put your mindset
[15:39] into that you like to to learn
[15:41] and you did this continuously for how
[15:43] long six years
[15:49] I'm still amazed that when you are in
[15:52] this situation right you you have your
[15:55] battle with other people but there is
[15:58] another battle that is inside your head
[16:00] right that is uh
[16:02] um frequently ongoing will tell you that
[16:08] why are you doing all this right and to
[16:12] continue something like this for six
[16:13] years
[16:14] is not easy guys fighting with yourself
[16:17] is not easy all right so
[16:21] I want to ask how did you do that I used
[16:23] to find like inspirational speakers Zig
[16:25] Ziggler especially
[16:27] uh Brian Tracy which is weird because so
[16:31] they're into sales these people into
[16:32] sales but they usually have like really
[16:34] good messages about how you should
[16:37] actually focus into your goals and how
[16:38] you strive you should try to
[16:40] to um
[16:42] do better how is it that other people
[16:45] have work like have it worse than you
[16:46] and they still can can do it
[16:49] um so I used to listen uh see you on the
[16:52] top uh like from zigzag like I used to
[16:55] like continuously listen to this
[16:57] subjects all the time so that helped me
[16:58] a lot from like those things you can do
[17:00] it I used to do that again I don't think
[17:02] it's also enjoying it right
[17:04] I did it because I wanted to get better
[17:06] but I also enjoyed doing it every time I
[17:09] did I learned something new I enjoyed it
[17:10] and like wow this is cool so it's
[17:12] actually a combination of like I'm doing
[17:14] something I like doing and also like
[17:16] something that uh
[17:18] that um like I'm I'm in my having sex
[17:22] with somebody else did it I can't go out
[17:23] here you have to keep in mind that
[17:25] during those six years I'm not only like
[17:26] trying to learn how to like program I'm
[17:29] trying to learn English
[17:30] I didn't like when I first moved here I
[17:33] could not go to the gas station and say
[17:35] I want to put ten dollars on pump number
[17:37] five I could not say that I couldn't
[17:39] have it not even agree with someone so
[17:43] it's it's it was tough
[17:46] yep six years six years old
[17:50] Louise I don't know if you recognize
[17:52] this or not
[17:54] but
[17:58] working on a personal Initiative for
[18:00] this long even six months
[18:04] and initially you're not getting any
[18:08] results right you don't know what is the
[18:12] end of the tunnel you in your case you
[18:15] was enjoying but at the same time
[18:18] it is hard and I think what happened in
[18:23] this case and and I have some of those
[18:25] situations
[18:26] those type of thing
[18:28] give
[18:30] um strength lifelong strength then you
[18:33] have conquered that situation now you
[18:36] can concur anything when you face that
[18:40] type of situation again in your life
[18:43] those are the difficult moment that give
[18:46] you strengths
[18:50] thank you so much I feel like I can
[18:52] spend another hour just talking about
[18:55] this there's so much uh inspiration so
[18:58] much
[18:59] uh tips as well for people who are
[19:02] starting their career uh people who are
[19:06] coming out of the college and not able
[19:08] to get the job that they want
[19:12] um
[19:13] something that you mentioned is actually
[19:15] something about getting out of college
[19:17] and actually one like something I want
[19:19] part of it didn't make sure you
[19:21] mentioned something about this
[19:23] when I graduate from my the online
[19:26] classes I had I got my diploma from like
[19:28] the artist of Facebook you say yeah yeah
[19:32] um I'm happy about it
[19:34] um I'm sorry to looking for it for for
[19:35] jobs uh for Photoshop and and I went
[19:39] from working like 17 20 hours a day to
[19:42] working like eight hours five hours a
[19:44] day six hours a day my mom is diagnosed
[19:46] with cancer yeah
[19:48] during that time during that time so I
[19:50] had to go to New York an emergency trip
[19:52] I come back
[19:54] um and if my life started going into
[19:55] this messy Point especially it's always
[19:59] work I'm not going on time to work I'm
[20:01] like yeah okay so when that happens they
[20:03] come in and say like hey you know
[20:06] um Airlines have this policy where like
[20:08] if you're late the same times a year
[20:11] you're out
[20:12] yeah one minute yeah they give you the
[20:15] respect policy I don't know how much
[20:18] so when that happens I right really I'm
[20:20] happy because of that and this guy said
[20:22] you can unlock the one here I still
[20:23] don't have a job
[20:25] so what I did is like I have two options
[20:27] I can actually go back to another line
[20:29] try to apply for it well I can go
[20:31] somewhere else so what I did is actually
[20:33] there were some classes that were they
[20:34] gave me like in Winter Park Tech for
[20:36] like yeah for like um they had Java they
[20:41] have web development they have so I'm
[20:43] like you know what let me just try to
[20:44] learn what design here so instead of
[20:46] taking that while I'm doing that I'm not
[20:48] sure you supply my job but I did that
[20:49] for like
[20:50] three months I did that three to four
[20:53] months and on the fourth month I got my
[20:55] first job on company called G7 Marketing
[20:57] Group
[21:00] um they needed a back-end development
[21:01] like comparator
[21:03] but um
[21:05] um that was actually something that some
[21:07] people like graduated from school and
[21:08] they just said that they just want to
[21:09] give up don't give up we like trying to
[21:11] polish your knowledge try to like refine
[21:13] like any class that you can take for
[21:15] money on whatever career you you have
[21:17] there's ways to to continue to
[21:20] a new study for for web designing and
[21:23] you got a job in the back end uh I know
[21:25] I got it I got a job as a full staff
[21:27] developer yeah okay bye then okay bye
[21:29] yeah and um but uh it was actually a
[21:32] marketing agency so because I knew front
[21:33] in the back end they had me doing like
[21:36] things from Photoshop all the way to to
[21:38] bucket like as time flew because I was
[21:41] solving problems on back end they
[21:43] stopped giving me things for for the
[21:44] phone and it wouldn't work in the back
[21:46] end but that and my first job I worked
[21:48] like uh with inventory management system
[21:52] um for like a warehouse they had like
[21:53] their own built-in solution how to
[21:55] maintain their whole system yeah a new
[21:58] mom during this time was in New York she
[22:01] was in New York yeah at that time I mean
[22:04] she moved to a Democrat public and then
[22:05] went to New York because said she had
[22:07] cancer
[22:08] okay
[22:09] so how was you managing that then job
[22:12] here and then Mom oh no like we I only
[22:16] like I wanted like twice during that
[22:18] time thankful everything like she she uh
[22:21] she's free of cancer now but and then
[22:23] she came back with you I guess oh no
[22:25] she's not here she's in the microphone
[22:26] serious yeah so after that yeah okay
[22:31] so one more question on this he was
[22:34] working 17 20 hours
[22:37] and now it 10 hours
[22:41] um what was that tin I don't know not
[22:44] like the now it's like not one of uh um
[22:47] enough for either Health when I came
[22:49] back it's a little bit late no the first
[22:51] job
[22:52] so my first job was in eight hours no I
[22:54] am workaholic by by default like when I
[22:57] started working I mean I go from working
[22:59] your computer and I work from working 17
[23:01] hours customer service now I'm actually
[23:03] in my field yeah I want to get better I
[23:05] want to learn more I did not put it
[23:07] hours I put 15 hours I put 17 hours I
[23:11] would actually get out of work go home
[23:13] and study what I just worked on
[23:15] uh if there was a problem they couldn't
[23:17] figure out because I'm used to print I
[23:20] would print a whole application
[23:23] and started end-to-end
[23:26] and the following day when I went there
[23:28] I would actually like understand like
[23:30] where the problem was why it's still
[23:31] printing because like for back then I
[23:35] don't understand anymore but for
[23:36] whatever reason I think it's the fact
[23:38] that I did it for so long and I read
[23:40] from books so much that I got so stuck
[23:42] into it so for me I would just go like
[23:44] like that and so
[23:46] um another reason is because like I
[23:50] found that uh a lot of the application I
[23:52] have to maintain were like poorly
[23:54] written
[23:55] it was easier for me just to have the
[23:57] ham and go back and be like collect one
[23:59] thing to do and like highlight things
[24:00] and
[24:01] one of the issues I'm gonna I'm not
[24:04] gonna forget because like one of the
[24:05] issues that they had is like we had
[24:08] um a company that was Selling Houses uh
[24:12] forget the name but um
[24:14] they would add a house and then when
[24:16] they are the other one like three of
[24:17] them got deleted and they didn't have
[24:19] another one and I know that we got
[24:20] deleted it it was a weird problem like
[24:21] that and it was a big application I just
[24:23] had to go for the whole call and like
[24:25] it's something I didn't like
[24:26] foreign
[24:40] developer full stack to become a senior
[24:43] engineer and then I became
[24:45] um
[24:46] uh after that I went to another company
[24:48] called accent Group which it was the
[24:50] same thing
[24:51] um
[24:51] on that one I did become like director
[24:53] or engineer for caption group and then I
[24:56] came to other health you know so during
[24:58] this time how did that feel like from
[25:01] the airport security to this job and and
[25:04] you are into it so and you're becoming
[25:07] so good
[25:08] um
[25:09] something that I learned is like if I
[25:12] make a big deal out of it I'm gonna stop
[25:14] growing
[25:14] for whatever reason
[25:16] that's a mindset I have like from uh
[25:18] since I started I said like if you grow
[25:22] and you think that that step is too big
[25:24] then you're gonna put yourself in that
[25:26] boundary you have to let things go and
[25:28] say like this is just a one more step so
[25:30] I never see any stuff that I make as
[25:32] something like bigger you say like it's
[25:34] one more step I have to take I need to
[25:36] continue moving forward continue working
[25:38] in
[25:40] um
[25:40] yep maybe that's why I've had the
[25:43] monster or something that you mentioned
[25:44] before yeah actually you see it as
[25:45] something like just part of the journey
[25:48] yes
[25:51] wow
[25:52] we'll take our first break yeah
[25:58] so let's finish this journey part
[26:01] um
[26:02] by this time you got two different jobs
[26:05] you became the director
[26:08] director of engineering you said right
[26:11] yeah it's it was a startup yeah okay
[26:13] what happened then
[26:16] um I uh
[26:20] I was struggling with creating a
[26:22] work-like balance so
[26:25] um I had my friend uh Tyson Worley
[26:29] he worked out yeah yeah he and I work at
[26:32] gisana Marketing Group who worked at
[26:35] coxin group then he goes to Avenue then
[26:37] he recommended me for having health
[26:40] and I had an interview with David Oakley
[26:43] I got an offer and I'm like I put things
[26:45] in the um actually
[26:48] because uh there's two things that are
[26:51] coming to other health even though I I
[26:53] do I did take a big heart to go driving
[26:54] health
[26:56] um one of them is work like ours I was
[26:59] strongly like work like that results
[27:01] okay too many hours now because of my
[27:03] leadership or because of myself I blame
[27:05] myself completely
[27:07] um
[27:08] and that's actually why I left that job
[27:11] started having Health the second reason
[27:13] is
[27:14] um having personal faith I'm a Christian
[27:16] person in
[27:18] the person will have my interview I'm
[27:21] doubting it whether or not I should go
[27:22] foreign health
[27:28] and the person
[27:30] um I'm never gonna forget when the
[27:32] person was giving me the interview asked
[27:34] me if I one of the things that we have
[27:36] is sometimes you have people who will
[27:37] pray for you
[27:39] will you feel comfortable or
[27:41] uncomfortable if somebody approaches
[27:43] Embrace prays for you
[27:46] um in that moment I was going through
[27:48] some things because my my aunt that was
[27:50] very close when he had passed away
[27:52] and I really needed that when they told
[27:55] me that's like of course like I I really
[27:58] want not that I care is actually I would
[28:00] want somebody to pray for me and just
[28:03] because of that statement there is
[28:04] actually just that's part of my trait I
[28:06] don't know like a lot of people don't
[28:07] but that's just me personally that's the
[28:10] thing that actually made me completely
[28:11] like I don't care I'm just gonna go with
[28:13] this
[28:14] yeah
[28:15] but um it was actually mostly because of
[28:18] uh what like action group was the
[28:21] company that
[28:22] made I had learned a lot on my own
[28:28] um one of the biggest challenging
[28:29] knowledge I had was actually an exam
[28:31] group and it thinks thanks to um the
[28:34] person I used to report to called uh Jim
[28:36] Connor
[28:37] uh that's why one of the best Engineers
[28:40] I ever met in my life any social life my
[28:42] main trouble calling the manager
[28:45] um he helped me grow a lot into like um
[28:47] the launching computer and if anybody
[28:49] asked me about career-wise you you need
[28:51] to find him enter like because there's
[28:54] people that would actually change your
[28:55] world and that guy actually like
[28:58] um at least with respect to Computer
[29:00] Engineering
[29:02] problem solving probably selling
[29:04] technology
[29:05] um I don't know if I'm the guy
[29:09] and then you left the adventure went
[29:12] somewhere and came back yeah there's
[29:15] somewhere where I went towards actually
[29:17] doing cornerstar company he's a VP for
[29:19] for kids
[29:22] so went to clear gauge uh it's a payment
[29:25] processing company for healthcare
[29:27] and um I work with them for I think like
[29:31] almost two years
[29:33] because we came back because same thing
[29:35] I could not control
[29:37] my working
[29:40] what like 17 hours a week yeah
[29:43] so maybe more yeah I remember when I
[29:46] called David David
[29:49] I was actually
[29:52] um I was asking like uh
[29:55] can I come back and when you ask me why
[29:57] I said I saw my son Monday and then so
[29:59] I'm like you know Friday it wasn't even
[30:01] the same house because someone talking
[30:03] to my house so before like if one of my
[30:06] biggest struggles that I have is
[30:07] actually like I'm very passionate about
[30:08] work and recently I I've been like
[30:12] uh doing more work like balance uh
[30:16] my current leader uh Jason Maxwell is
[30:19] helping me a lot into like focusing I
[30:21] get work my balance
[30:23] um but that's my biggest struggle in my
[30:25] life is that it's like I can't really
[30:27] get passionate about work
[30:28] and forget about everything else no yes
[30:31] I've seen it many many many times
[30:36] so I want to ask
[30:39] you've been mentioning this that when it
[30:42] comes to working so many hours it's you
[30:45] not the company right you you mentioned
[30:48] that so how Advent health is helping you
[30:51] if it is you
[30:54] [Music]
[30:54] um
[30:55] I am thankful that I being able to be
[30:59] open to my leaders about that and they
[31:03] know it they know me and people that I
[31:06] report to or and co-workers know who I
[31:08] am and I'm thankful to have a pretty
[31:10] good team that I work with everybody
[31:12] knows I'm a workaholic so what everybody
[31:16] does from my boss to my co-workers is
[31:19] whenever I say I want to take something
[31:20] they try to take it away from me and
[31:22] sometimes I don't feel good but then
[31:24] sometimes I have to say it is the right
[31:26] thing to do let other people do it and
[31:28] they like delegate
[31:30] try to work as a team not trying to do
[31:32] it all yourself
[31:33] and I'm very thankful that my leadership
[31:36] and my co-workers are really really good
[31:38] with helping me like do that yeah
[31:41] um
[31:42] so how is it working when it's just that
[31:44] um trying to share knowledge trying to
[31:46] help others uh grow and teach them what
[31:49] you know about at least that topic that
[31:51] you're working with
[31:52] and
[31:55] um I think that's that's how it's been
[31:58] helping me I've seen conference call
[32:01] where people have forced you to drop off
[32:03] yes because the problem is solved we can
[32:06] take care go take some rest and they
[32:09] have to force you and we of course you
[32:11] yes okay and and to be honest like
[32:14] um at the beginning that was really hard
[32:16] to do it sounds like and for me like now
[32:18] it's easier but it's really hard for me
[32:20] to be like I'm not I'm not older like
[32:22] you know
[32:24] but that's not what other health has
[32:25] been able to help me like create it do
[32:27] it work my balance yeah
[32:30] I was a work colleague too
[32:33] um
[32:34] and
[32:36] for the longest time I I felt like
[32:41] I'm needed there
[32:43] and solving problem or being with the
[32:46] computer is my comfort zone I can I can
[32:51] do that
[32:52] I gonna spend four extra hour there and
[32:56] um so but with Advanced Health
[32:59] it truly helped actually by remember the
[33:02] time when
[33:04] there was mandatory holidays and then
[33:09] I guess long time ago we could work on
[33:14] those holiday and not claim our PTO
[33:17] and then there was a time when
[33:20] it became mandatory you need vice
[33:23] president permissions to be able to work
[33:27] and there was other activities where I
[33:31] guess it went health and the leaders
[33:33] become more and more intentional about
[33:35] it
[33:36] and uh
[33:39] when you start taking off
[33:42] that's when you actually realize that
[33:45] you will be okay without computers
[33:48] without working I will tell you that
[33:51] ever since I started in this field this
[33:54] like when I came back first time ever
[33:56] I've been able to let it go
[33:59] because I always feel like I need to be
[34:01] there I need to
[34:02] um
[34:03] but um
[34:05] I'm very thankful that we figure out a
[34:08] way to remove that from me so now I
[34:10] don't have to I don't have to be on on
[34:12] call 24 7. I can
[34:14] and another thing is actually like
[34:16] trying to removal yourself from the
[34:18] equation helps you grow because you have
[34:20] to teach somebody else their knowledge
[34:21] and by teaching you review your
[34:23] knowledge also you have all the growth
[34:25] uh it teaches you leadership so that's
[34:28] one thing one of the good exercise is to
[34:30] delegate
[34:31] delegate work teach others and
[34:34] you know there was at least in my case
[34:39] when I was manager and they're still
[34:41] getting involved with the technical
[34:43] activities
[34:45] I realized later that some of those
[34:48] activities were micromanagement or can
[34:52] be called micromanagement and it was not
[34:54] that I was my wanted to do
[34:56] micromanagement it was because I was so
[35:00] sensitive I was so passionate about
[35:03] the thing that we have developed and as
[35:08] a team leader or as a technical lead at
[35:11] that point
[35:15] I have put in my soul to make it more
[35:19] stable and did it in a way that it's
[35:24] less maintenance later on and I know
[35:27] that by doing
[35:31] 10 things over the period of two months
[35:33] could trigger into something that can
[35:36] create more and more support call more
[35:39] more maintenance call or so
[35:43] it was tough it was not
[35:46] that I was trying to
[35:48] tell everybody that this is how you
[35:52] should be doing it was my passion toward
[35:55] that solution or
[35:57] trying to make it uh yeah so I think you
[36:03] probably have gone through the same
[36:04] thing yes it's uh one of um my
[36:08] experience a little bit uh
[36:11] let me go back to what you said there's
[36:13] actually a book called pragmatic uh
[36:16] pragmatic programmer from the smoking
[36:19] powder but he talks about like whatever
[36:21] the meeting is needed here the first
[36:23] question you have to ask is can we avoid
[36:26] this meeting
[36:27] and I I applied that for a long time
[36:30] like we used to have like manual
[36:33] development manual like deployment for
[36:35] the devops and I started thinking how
[36:37] can we animate this and make it give
[36:39] more power to Engineers so I don't have
[36:41] to be there just like automating
[36:43] everything makes it easier for
[36:44] developers to own their own stuff and I
[36:47] can move myself from the question
[36:49] uh that was step number one yeah but
[36:51] step number two is actually now we need
[36:52] to train somebody else about a script
[36:55] that I built
[36:57] to
[36:58] uh automate everything so I agree with
[37:01] you like um
[37:04] is
[37:05] we all create something inside the the
[37:08] thing that you were very passionate
[37:10] about in my case it was more than that
[37:12] it was actually like
[37:14] um when it's actually manual deployment
[37:15] for example uh you have to be there on
[37:18] the call you have to automate that you
[37:19] have to empower people to do that you
[37:21] have to teach them what you did we also
[37:22] need to teach somebody
[37:25] um
[37:26] about a good scripts that you build
[37:29] to automate that so they can also take
[37:31] that and the moment you that's how you
[37:32] remove yourself from collaboration you
[37:33] you remove yourself from like the things
[37:35] that you used to do manually to automate
[37:37] it and also from the organization that
[37:39] you build
[37:40] and intentionally not gonna help
[37:42] multiple people that can actually
[37:43] maintain that now like all the
[37:45] organization and all that yeah
[37:49] so when you came back at mental you came
[37:53] back as a manager
[37:55] I came back as uh uh doing devops that's
[37:59] what she probably brought me back then
[38:00] you became manager okay okay so you came
[38:03] here as a devop and then you became a
[38:05] manager and then you showed chose
[38:09] to become an architect to become
[38:11] architecture
[38:14] tell more about that yes
[38:16] um so
[38:18] I have multiple passions like all of us
[38:21] and and I
[38:24] I uh I I I care too much about people to
[38:28] be a manager and that sounds bad but one
[38:31] of you
[38:32] um so some people are able to take and
[38:34] live and balance out I think I'm too
[38:38] like like when when I'm managing people
[38:40] I get too much into the
[38:42] the the trying to help people to the
[38:45] point they become sick I'm like I'm
[38:47] actually putting too much time into it
[38:49] and for me it it's actually something
[38:52] that it's not healthy for me and if it's
[38:55] not healthy for me I won't be able to
[38:56] provide be a good leader for others yeah
[38:59] so another thing is I have a lot like I
[39:02] notice I have a lot of passion for
[39:03] engineering
[39:05] moving away from it it didn't help too
[39:07] much so I noticed that I found myself
[39:09] doing multiple jobs because I was become
[39:12] being a manager and also put another
[39:15] goal
[39:16] the engineers out of it so
[39:19] um I found myself being better seeing as
[39:22] an engineer as much as I could then
[39:25] continue to be a manager now we'll have
[39:27] people that
[39:28] can do better than I can on that and it
[39:31] sometimes it's not like because some
[39:32] people don't believe really good they
[39:33] sign up on only being good you have to
[39:35] you have to be sustainable
[39:37] if you do it a good job it could be an
[39:40] excellent job but it's not sustainable
[39:41] for a long time they're going to learn a
[39:43] good job in my case it was not
[39:44] sustainable because I couldn't have a
[39:46] cold engineering Saturday your soul is
[39:48] there exactly yes your soul is on the
[39:51] engineers so the for the health of the
[39:54] team and the people that need to have a
[39:56] good manager that could be on top of
[39:58] everything it was better for me to be
[40:00] more an architect then
[40:01] here
[40:05] so what part of the architect role
[40:09] that you like most rewarding for you uh
[40:13] most rewarding is like
[40:15] um I do like multiple aspects of
[40:18] engineering
[40:20] um from the alarms again to
[40:23] uh database from like a funny
[40:26] development from apis
[40:29] um being able to help multiple people
[40:32] achieve their goals so multiple
[40:34] Engineers by providing like
[40:36] architectural designs with them coming
[40:39] back coming out with different solutions
[40:43] um so
[40:44] I I believe that as an architect I have
[40:47] the opportunity to help Engineers grow
[40:49] as well so I for me the most rewarding
[40:52] part of my job is to help others
[40:54] and I believe as an architect I can I
[40:57] can do that which is
[40:59] yeah sometimes
[41:01] um
[41:01] the team has issues that they need to
[41:04] have
[41:05] we bring some together to find like what
[41:07] is the best option for this or
[41:09] uh kind of a promise of which recently
[41:11] had about cash in coming up with a
[41:13] solution for caching and not working on
[41:15] itself that made me feel good that I was
[41:17] able to help the team
[41:19] um
[41:20] solving problem yeah that was an
[41:23] extraordinary for we we manage Advent
[41:25] Health apps
[41:27] um Android iOS and web and after
[41:31] integrating epic we was facing multiple
[41:34] issues especially around speed and
[41:37] production environment was going down
[41:39] low is along with other Engineers spend
[41:43] some time
[41:45] and during the time you went through the
[41:48] entire code reviewed it peer-reviewed it
[41:51] and
[41:53] um
[41:54] in hands and optimize the performance
[41:57] hey sorry we optimize the performance
[42:00] and memory relation area
[42:03] and um
[42:05] we went from consuming like
[42:08] 64 gigabytes per service every
[42:12] I believe it's actually by the time we
[42:14] add 15 minutes
[42:16] to consuming 15 gigabytes every like six
[42:20] hours
[42:21] 64 gig
[42:23] every 15 minutes to
[42:26] 15 every four hours and four of you know
[42:29] four to six hours
[42:31] so I mean we're still like working into
[42:33] improving the performance of the
[42:34] application
[42:36] um but what we've been doing is doing
[42:37] prior program where we go and we go
[42:40] through the whole uh integration end to
[42:42] end
[42:43] the reason why we're doing it that way
[42:44] it's what we talked about before you
[42:46] know if I go into it myself and I solve
[42:49] it
[42:50] I have to go next time and do it myself
[42:52] right if we do it as a team
[42:54] it's different because like one you have
[42:58] other people looking and there might be
[43:00] something you miss second
[43:03] um people are learning on the journey
[43:05] and next time they don't know what to do
[43:09] so Louise when you have these type of
[43:11] calls where
[43:13] um you're with so many other highly
[43:15] technical people
[43:18] um how do you balance
[43:20] between your technical highly technical
[43:24] feedback and how other people will
[43:27] perceive it and how they will feel
[43:30] um so how do you balance all that
[43:33] uh yes yes um
[43:37] um
[43:37] there's
[43:39] um
[43:40] there's
[43:42] something that I always do essentially
[43:44] whenever I'm talking to people I don't
[43:46] assume that I know something except from
[43:48] the perspective that I'm trying to be
[43:49] very objective for the topic
[43:51] I don't say I know it because I may be
[43:54] wrong I might be why am I why would I
[43:56] think I'd be wrong just because I think
[43:59] the problem is a problem
[44:02] doesn't mean that is the problem which
[44:04] means the solution when I try to apply
[44:05] maybe the wrong one in
[44:09] I what I try to assume is that I'm
[44:11] always wrong even though like I might
[44:12] have given the right solution so I tried
[44:15] to come from there
[44:17] um
[44:17] from an objective perspective and try to
[44:20] make sure everybody understand hey like
[44:21] we're analyzing this together this one
[44:23] we're asking it together let's actually
[44:25] go through it I'm trying to ask
[44:26] questions to the team
[44:28] and we place on the issue together
[44:31] I try to treat myself as part of the
[44:34] team not leading the call or leading the
[44:37] the code review or leading the
[44:40] the pair programming in some cases I try
[44:43] to brainstorm and some individual
[44:45] individual contributing whether or not I
[44:48] know more about the topic or less
[44:50] it's actually just let's go through it
[44:52] um
[44:53] the engineer that is actually reviewing
[44:55] the code or uh programming with you
[44:58] on the sensor code as good as you do you
[45:01] might have like oh I might have some
[45:02] different experience not maybe more I
[45:05] try to be very humble in the way I go
[45:07] through the code and very objective say
[45:09] like what do you think about this you
[45:10] think this right I don't think it's I
[45:11] don't think it's right I want to say
[45:12] it's wrong I don't think it's right
[45:14] because I don't think it's right that's
[45:16] really why many times you go like oh
[45:18] it's wrong and they were like no it's
[45:20] right and you're like oh it's right you
[45:22] know so it's not good to do that either
[45:24] because you might make it so going
[45:26] through like through being humble when
[45:28] you're actually doing the code review or
[45:30] the prayer programming and also um
[45:32] taking the
[45:34] the heart Factor foreign
[45:52] it's so amazing that you take care of
[45:55] their feelings you take care of how they
[45:58] are perceiving the information that you
[46:00] are sharing
[46:01] somebody at your level with so much
[46:04] passion about a technology when you
[46:08] build a solution
[46:09] I'm sure you want a best solution right
[46:14] and many times
[46:16] the requirements and the problems comes
[46:19] with the due date that we don't have a
[46:23] lot of time
[46:24] so how do you balance a perfect solution
[46:26] that you can offer
[46:30] to what can be done within the time
[46:33] permits
[46:37] um
[46:37] so I don't think that's actually a
[46:39] perfect answer for that because as an
[46:41] engineer so that you get carried on that
[46:43] but
[46:44] like what we I strive what I try to do
[46:48] always essentially like as you
[46:51] brainstorm through that problem
[46:54] um scrum helps out with what I'm trying
[46:56] to learn about you try to iterate it
[46:58] with small increments of problems
[47:01] and until you find a good enough spot
[47:03] once it's good enough you're really sad
[47:07] versus trying to release it all at once
[47:09] because when you try to release
[47:10] everything at once it might not be the
[47:12] right thing we will not scrum actually
[47:14] like it's one of the process
[47:17] help us try to
[47:20] deliver their minimal viable product
[47:22] instead of trying to to be with a
[47:24] perfect solution
[47:25] there are times that you cannot get away
[47:27] with that sometimes like you you try to
[47:29] go
[47:30] and you deliver something but then you
[47:32] deliver can it doesn't perform well
[47:33] because it's actually rushed yeah I mean
[47:36] so there's actually like a it's a double
[47:38] a sword yeah
[47:39] but uh it's mostly it's trial and error
[47:42] it's actually trying to do small
[47:44] increments of
[47:50] to deliver
[47:51] and um
[47:54] and test us as something as possible
[47:58] through feedback is actually how you
[48:00] know it
[48:01] um sometimes that what you're trying to
[48:03] do is actually too big that is actually
[48:05] hard to to do that
[48:07] uh we've been in many projects that are
[48:08] already done but uh it's just try to let
[48:12] us as quick as often as possible yeah
[48:17] how do you handle your emotions and that
[48:20] in in the situation where you know that
[48:24] you can provide a
[48:26] better solution but because of the time
[48:29] limitation you cannot yeah um one of the
[48:33] things that you
[48:35] I I try to do is
[48:38] try to Define what the problem is and
[48:41] how big in the time that you're gonna
[48:43] solve the problem for
[48:45] um can I give an example if you have to
[48:46] do a process that is need so important
[48:50] hundreds of people enjoy database or
[48:53] users and you do what it's not optimal
[48:55] but you don't have to write once it
[48:56] doesn't matter if it's something wrong
[48:57] even if you ask there's one like five
[48:59] six times it doesn't matter
[49:01] and if you say I could do it better but
[49:03] why would I spend so much time into
[49:04] improving this if it's one it's an abuse
[49:07] for a long time it's going to be a
[49:08] one-time thing like what two girls
[49:10] also there's some of the times where
[49:12] like
[49:13] um
[49:14] with the solution you're trying to
[49:15] implement the data is actually not that
[49:17] big so you could actually have the best
[49:19] idea in the world but it's a thing apply
[49:21] for it yeah right right so the what I
[49:23] always try to do this ask myself is that
[49:25] who do you need it
[49:27] if it's needed I would raise the flag
[49:29] and I would any size something about
[49:32] emotion something my my concern with
[49:34] regards this is a high scale
[49:36] if it's on a scale if he handles the
[49:38] data and it's not the perfect solution
[49:40] then we just go with it but if it's
[49:42] actually something that is needed for
[49:43] what the business requirement is
[49:46] you have to either well we'll go with
[49:48] this it's up to the base system with the
[49:50] decision we have a solution that
[49:52] solution might not be the right one so
[49:55] um it's always trying to like
[49:58] um
[49:59] how to handle a solution the feelings
[50:01] essentially I handle the feelings as
[50:03] long as it's uh it's not gonna impacted
[50:06] business okay it will impact the
[50:07] business I'll just try to let the
[50:09] business know if they make the decision
[50:11] I'll just go with it I don't I don't get
[50:14] that that's the only thing that I make
[50:16] sure is actually Before I Let It Go I
[50:19] will raise my concerns through the
[50:20] business notes one thing is to make the
[50:22] decision they did my job I will sleep
[50:25] well that night
[50:27] yes knowing that I let you know and that
[50:31] this end between the business like they
[50:33] made the decision I mean they'll know
[50:35] but it's the part that I will not sleep
[50:37] is actually if I know and then I say
[50:39] quiet I will never like it I'll just
[50:41] just make sure that before we continue
[50:43] this is the situation yeah there was
[50:46] somebody named Richard render we was
[50:48] having some conversation around
[50:50] SharePoint
[50:51] and I was really passionate about a
[50:55] particular way of solutioning it
[50:59] um so he he felt that he sensed that in
[51:03] and after that meeting I think it was an
[51:07] hour meeting after that meeting he he
[51:10] reached out to me and he spoke to me and
[51:12] he said
[51:14] Winnie
[51:16] after two years or five years you will
[51:19] forget
[51:20] what the solution was
[51:23] um
[51:25] you will even forget this project so
[51:29] in some situation
[51:32] just like what you exactly what you just
[51:35] said he told me that in many situations
[51:39] when you have different opinion you
[51:42] share your opinion you share your
[51:45] reasoning behind those opinions
[51:48] and then you sit back you let it go
[51:52] because in two years five years
[51:57] neither you or not not this other person
[51:59] will remember this project
[52:05] but the relationship the emotions I mean
[52:09] will will be there yeah I remember
[52:14] um and that changed me yeah people who
[52:17] remember how they they probably not
[52:19] remember what happened but they were
[52:21] they will remember how they felt yeah so
[52:24] they remember how they felt during the
[52:25] an incident versus that so I that's
[52:28] something to take into consideration
[52:29] people's opinion because you want to
[52:31] make sure that people feel a specific
[52:34] way I'm very passionate when I'm
[52:35] speaking I try to let people know
[52:37] anything like don't take it personal I
[52:38] always gonna be passionate because I I'm
[52:40] very passionate about what I do but I
[52:43] will make sure
[52:44] that if I have a concern that people
[52:46] know it we can all make the decision we
[52:49] made it
[52:50] but I I will just
[52:53] listening
[52:56] so Lewis moving forward you inspire so
[53:00] many people who inspire you in the
[53:02] Advent health or in digital group you
[53:05] will start with digital group digital
[53:07] group will have different people that
[53:08] have inspired me multiple ways
[53:10] um
[53:11] so
[53:13] one of the people that
[53:16] um inspired me like well there's
[53:19] actually three people in experiment in a
[53:20] good way
[53:22] around teamwork specifically around
[53:24] teamwork it's actually like
[53:27] Chris trout uh Scott Russell and Tom
[53:30] Parker the first time I met him the way
[53:32] they work together that's something that
[53:34] inspired me like I so one of the things
[53:36] that impacted me a lot was actually that
[53:37] the way they the first time I met him
[53:40] the way they were working on some uh
[53:44] uh homegrown solution foreign health
[53:49] um the way they presented it I I work
[53:50] with them in a backup before I left on
[53:53] the messenger project
[53:55] they work together so well that the
[53:57] three of them inspire me but from the
[53:59] perspective of teamwork and
[54:01] collaboration they have like something
[54:04] called the rule of three where they
[54:06] actually take a topic and break into
[54:07] three multiple multiple ways so that's
[54:09] actually like
[54:10] from that
[54:12] um
[54:12] the P the personal inspiring like that
[54:15] so to help me a lot I put the work-life
[54:17] balance because I have like how many
[54:19] people it's actually yeah
[54:20] so I was like um
[54:24] it's actually more like he's being like
[54:26] the person who somehow figured out a way
[54:29] to like balance myself I'm not sure like
[54:31] I have to give him credit for that like
[54:33] and I know it's actually like it might
[54:35] sound weird but it's actually people
[54:36] that I'm like look up to you know
[54:38] um and another person is actually like
[54:41] for like something from like growth
[54:43] perspective before we go to another next
[54:46] person I think both has changed Jason
[54:49] new board that yeah I think that's
[54:52] what's his changing yeah
[54:54] I think that
[55:00] probably on the sea scene like yeah yeah
[55:03] you can see I had to make that comment
[55:05] yeah
[55:07] um so like from the other perspective
[55:09] like David I'll play like the way like
[55:12] um from the business perspective and the
[55:14] way he's handling our team I think it's
[55:16] actually kind of insane it's actually
[55:18] something like
[55:19] I think it's actually way over my head
[55:21] in my opinion like the way it handles
[55:23] like the whole whole thing I'm not sure
[55:25] how he does it but like he does like an
[55:28] insane job
[55:29] there so like those are the people who
[55:31] like
[55:32] every time I talk about Bible I think
[55:34] about how to start the the three like
[55:37] points that I always looked to
[55:39] um just to let you know how far I'm
[55:41] gonna use this trout uh straw tower and
[55:44] and Scott perspective about teamwork
[55:46] when I came back
[55:49] strongly reminded me to play some online
[55:50] game
[55:52] and when I went to play the online game
[55:54] with them it was actually on a angle
[55:56] stroller knife I thought it was trying
[55:58] to help me on the same teamwork
[56:00] and I told him that like no that's not
[56:02] what I did that but that's how how like
[56:04] I look up to the way that they handle it
[56:08] something that
[56:09] inspired me to change or change my
[56:12] mindset about how I look at being
[56:14] minimalists and and not being so picky
[56:16] with even cold and people it was
[56:18] actually from them that's just what I
[56:19] saw him like they're like very build a
[56:21] solution is it good enough
[56:24] good let's move to the next thing don't
[56:26] get stuck on that yeah so that that I
[56:28] liked a lot so Luis you have been a
[56:30] lifelong learner what
[56:34] motivate you
[56:35] to keep learning new thing you recently
[56:38] to Salesforce and you have a completely
[56:41] new learning there so what drives you
[56:46] um from this aspect I I'm motivated a
[56:50] lot to help
[56:52] solving problems that's something that
[56:54] motivates me a lot and
[56:56] trying to understand how things work
[56:58] and it's actually kind of a
[57:01] their satisfaction that I get from like
[57:03] helping others it's kind of like my um
[57:07] it's it's kind of like my dopamine in
[57:09] enhancer
[57:11] so I get like every time I know that I
[57:14] can do something when I put on my right
[57:16] side I can't help it's good enough for
[57:18] me
[57:19] to continue to learn that
[57:21] so right now I'm I'm actually I'm
[57:24] working on a party but like
[57:26] my voice will
[57:27] learn how to sponsors again from
[57:29] Salesforce in finance and uh tell that
[57:32] for me
[57:34] excuse me uh on I was recently on on a
[57:37] on a meeting with Michael Guerrero and
[57:40] he's talking about telephone there's a
[57:42] lot of new Concepts that are going over
[57:43] my head use the fact that they go over
[57:45] my head and I know that is involved in
[57:46] the team that I'm working with is enough
[57:49] to push me to learn about it and push me
[57:51] to learn like good well enough how it
[57:54] works yeah so but like the main
[57:57] driver for this is actually helping
[57:59] others that's something that I learned
[58:03] uh later on that it was actually
[58:06] something that drove me when I I was
[58:09] having a personality test and I noticed
[58:11] that like one of the questions do you
[58:13] get energy from automation I do I always
[58:15] say I do like every time I'm able to
[58:17] give something it feels like if I feel
[58:19] pretty good so that's one of the things
[58:22] that may help me like every time I
[58:23] learned something I want to learn it
[58:24] good enough that I can help somebody
[58:26] else about it as well
[58:28] so that's my main driver right now apart
[58:31] from the technology there is one other
[58:33] thing that you are so passionate about
[58:35] and that's your dim the gym yes how did
[58:39] that start
[58:41] now
[58:42] um okay this is really good I think it's
[58:44] a good story because like um
[58:47] oh what else what's going on I had a
[58:50] friend of mine who was into like a
[58:52] bodybuilding and he helped me like
[58:54] introduce me to the gym I got in shape
[58:57] got good
[58:59] I don't even got kind of build
[59:02] um for like the year I did I went to the
[59:04] gym then I stopped
[59:06] things happen I moved to the United
[59:07] States I used to go to the gym on and
[59:10] off and then there's a point that I
[59:12] actually gained I went from size 32
[59:14] Pence to 42.
[59:17] okay
[59:18] then it depend on the X and I lost
[59:21] weight and I got a shape
[59:22] and I'm gonna go to the appointment
[59:23] you'll see this
[59:25] and then my I mentioned my aunt who
[59:28] passed away
[59:29] um
[59:31] when she passed away it was actually I
[59:33] believe it was around 2012 2012. when
[59:36] that happened uh it hit
[59:39] um my life like so bad that I just
[59:42] didn't go to the gym didn't come by
[59:44] myself so I gained weight again
[59:46] and I come back to Avenue he probably
[59:49] saw me like I was actually like a big
[59:50] guy
[59:51] when I come back to having Health uh
[59:54] there was a person who started
[59:56] um in our team Nadine karazi that's
[1:00:00] right
[1:00:02] um she was into the into like Fitness
[1:00:04] like a lot yeah and one day
[1:00:07] Gian
[1:00:09] um which one of my co-workers Tian
[1:00:11] Nadine and I were having lot vision and
[1:00:15] they're talking about
[1:00:17] um
[1:00:18] Fitness
[1:00:20] and then I told them like it just came
[1:00:22] on naturally
[1:00:23] why am I gonna work out if I know I'm
[1:00:26] gonna die
[1:00:29] okay out of nowhere it just came back to
[1:00:32] wrong and I remember their face is
[1:00:34] looking at me weird okay cool things
[1:00:36] that way but it's funny because like
[1:00:38] sometimes you have to like talk to
[1:00:40] people that's why it's good to talk to
[1:00:41] people obviously
[1:00:44] their reaction changed my view of it so
[1:00:48] their reaction the way they look I mean
[1:00:50] how worried they were I then look at
[1:00:52] myself like wow that's wrong
[1:00:54] so then after that like after starting
[1:00:57] from that point I started working out
[1:00:58] and I have to thank Nadine a lot like
[1:01:01] she was if she pushed me a lot like you
[1:01:04] know at the beginning she got me into
[1:01:05] biking into biking and then I did her
[1:01:08] interview as well yeah that's crazy but
[1:01:11] she helped me a lot into into that in in
[1:01:13] GM has been my uh my uh Jean partner he
[1:01:17] doesn't go much for like we uh I saw a
[1:01:20] big transformation in him too
[1:01:23] so yeah I went from
[1:01:25] the weird thing is actually I was
[1:01:27] talking to the 270 at 270 pounds I
[1:01:30] flocked to it between 220 and 2 30. but
[1:01:33] I still like losing uh man yeah but what
[1:01:36] actually like I I've always been into
[1:01:38] like really love Fitness a lot and I'm
[1:01:41] thankful to meet people like that
[1:01:42] because actually some people that you
[1:01:44] stumble upon in your life will actually
[1:01:45] do an impact of what you like like get
[1:01:48] you back into a track and that sounds
[1:01:50] one of the things I'm one of the things
[1:01:51] I'm always going to be thankful to me
[1:01:53] like uh the Nick Horizon industry that
[1:01:55] one like that it actually like
[1:01:57] I mean it was only horrible to her in in
[1:02:00] GM but she was sort of like the one who
[1:02:02] actually pushed me but the both of them
[1:02:03] actually their reaction that time and if
[1:02:06] there's something that I would recommend
[1:02:07] anybody actually like talk to people
[1:02:08] because she never know
[1:02:10] how all the people will impact you when
[1:02:12] you actually Express Yourself about
[1:02:13] anything and that was such a lot of
[1:02:15] things yeah if that happened
[1:02:18] um in 2019 on My First Year resolution
[1:02:22] was actually to start walking out ever
[1:02:24] since then I've been working seven days
[1:02:26] a week I've tried my best and I've been
[1:02:28] posting that online every SEC ever since
[1:02:30] yeah 19 20 21 22 three years three years
[1:02:34] so this is a result of three years three
[1:02:36] years
[1:02:37] seven days a week I mean that's why
[1:02:40] sometimes five sometimes three I don't
[1:02:42] know how many hours you spend every day
[1:02:44] at 12 hours two hours two hours yeah
[1:02:49] and you do everything yourself right you
[1:02:52] did you have a trainer in the beginning
[1:02:53] uh in the past I had trainers yeah
[1:02:56] because I when I did panel against uh
[1:02:57] Trainers for a while before then I have
[1:03:00] trainers in the trainers so I have a lot
[1:03:02] of like basic knowledge so with the
[1:03:05] basic models they got there but when you
[1:03:06] started 2019 you didn't have any
[1:03:08] training
[1:03:12] if you need this type of fitness
[1:03:16] your contact Lewis
[1:03:22] thinking about future
[1:03:25] what are you thinking about yourself
[1:03:28] about your family
[1:03:30] 10 years from now
[1:03:34] 10 years from now like
[1:03:36] um one thing that happened to me and my
[1:03:38] wife is that we started too early with
[1:03:40] kids here so my goal now is one of them
[1:03:43] is continue to grow in in
[1:03:47] uh continue to provide work uh provide
[1:03:50] as much help as I can to other health
[1:03:52] and be as useful as I can
[1:03:56] um
[1:03:57] and being able to spend the time with
[1:04:00] her that I wasn't able to spend like my
[1:04:03] kids one is actually 18 I started
[1:04:05] college children when it's 12.
[1:04:07] but 10 years from now I just want to
[1:04:09] travel the world with her I guess that's
[1:04:11] my goal like
[1:04:14] um that's actually from family wise and
[1:04:16] make sure that be a great diet to my
[1:04:21] kids make sure that I
[1:04:23] feel good that I was able to take him
[1:04:25] all the way to the to the airline and
[1:04:29] and career-wise I want to continue to
[1:04:33] learn and learn more about Salesforce
[1:04:35] hopefully becoming Salesforce architect
[1:04:37] to learn how much as much as they can
[1:04:40] about telecommunication
[1:04:42] and continue to help other health with a
[1:04:45] digital team
[1:04:47] yes
[1:04:48] and when you're saying
[1:04:50] travel the world are you gonna
[1:04:54] live in different parts of the world or
[1:04:57] you travel like a vacation vacation-wise
[1:04:59] vacation because if you ask you know
[1:05:01] like
[1:05:02] I is
[1:05:05] all they like what since 2001 I like
[1:05:07] that is work and where is my family yeah
[1:05:12] that's pretty much what I thought but
[1:05:13] that's my goal for the next 10 years
[1:05:15] being able to
[1:05:17] to
[1:05:20] what's your goal setting and time
[1:05:23] management method Louise
[1:05:25] time management method like uh I'm gonna
[1:05:28] be completely honest in the last like
[1:05:30] two years I haven't been like that good
[1:05:32] with time management like what I used to
[1:05:34] do in the past
[1:05:36] um my goal again this is a short-term
[1:05:38] goal that I have to start is uh
[1:05:41] full-time management I have to start
[1:05:43] back to like
[1:05:45] um
[1:05:46] planning like a week ahead on Sundays
[1:05:48] and
[1:05:49] um
[1:05:51] kind of like pretty much like what
[1:05:53] everybody does like some some of the
[1:05:56] things that I want to try try to
[1:05:58] implement some sort of like scroll
[1:05:59] mechanism during my my scheduling for
[1:06:01] the whole week and things like that yeah
[1:06:05] I think I have I have a few friends who
[1:06:07] have traded and somehow I was working I
[1:06:08] want to see if it works for me too as
[1:06:10] well I don't know if you try that
[1:06:12] no scrum for my personal things uh did
[1:06:16] not work uh because I think scrum worked
[1:06:20] well with a team and as a team
[1:06:23] commitment
[1:06:25] um
[1:06:27] but fortunately I'm also not doing uh
[1:06:30] waterfall for my personal training so
[1:06:32] you don't like um what I'm doing what
[1:06:36] I'm doing right now so first thing for
[1:06:38] my personal thing uh personal projects I
[1:06:41] Define the why
[1:06:43] and I defined division vision
[1:06:48] and then
[1:06:50] right now I'm just doing a quarterly
[1:06:52] activities so for example with YouTube
[1:06:56] I have to publish one video
[1:07:00] every week one podcast video and now I'm
[1:07:04] also adding
[1:07:06] a non-focus video okay for my writing
[1:07:10] which I've been doing for three years
[1:07:12] I want to publish one article every week
[1:07:16] so those in this this initiative from
[1:07:21] the family side again
[1:07:25] I want to do certain activities at least
[1:07:30] at minimum
[1:07:32] um
[1:07:33] for my office goals
[1:07:36] professional those are well planned
[1:07:38] because those are with teams and
[1:07:43] different people so
[1:07:45] my major priority is to be available
[1:07:48] whenever a team member needs me and then
[1:07:52] on top of that
[1:07:54] there are certain things that I feel
[1:07:56] like are super critical
[1:08:00] that I if I try to delegate that I will
[1:08:03] be constantly checking with the person
[1:08:05] so those are the things that I try to do
[1:08:07] it myself for example planning this
[1:08:10] whole March 6 go live Command Center
[1:08:15] and all the activities that we will do
[1:08:19] in the first week of the go live is
[1:08:22] something I feel like uh very sensitive
[1:08:25] that can impact Warren David repetition
[1:08:29] so I did not dedicate that part to
[1:08:32] anyone I am trying to handle it myself
[1:08:36] but most of the other thing
[1:08:40] are executed by other people and I
[1:08:43] wanted to make sure that anytime they
[1:08:44] need me I'm there
[1:08:48] so that's how I yeah so a scrum did not
[1:08:53] work for my personal project but for
[1:08:56] office it's been working great I and I
[1:08:59] think uh finally at least in my head I I
[1:09:02] see the transformation
[1:09:05] um happening that's a good idea last
[1:09:08] question Lewis and it's been fun talking
[1:09:11] to you what is your message to the
[1:09:13] audience
[1:09:16] um
[1:09:18] my message is actually the same one I
[1:09:20] had originally like ah follow your
[1:09:21] passion
[1:09:24] um
[1:09:25] look for people who will inspire you to
[1:09:26] to move forward
[1:09:29] um
[1:09:31] don't
[1:09:33] if if there's one suggestion I'll always
[1:09:35] give to anyone is
[1:09:38] read The Alchemist that book is a lot to
[1:09:43] learn from it I've read it before I
[1:09:45] moved to United States and it helped me
[1:09:47] a lot in the journey how many like
[1:09:49] sometimes those abstract uh situations
[1:09:52] that you read help you put in
[1:09:54] perspective with reality and that helped
[1:09:57] me a lot
[1:09:58] um
[1:09:59] my suggestion if if any if I were to
[1:10:02] talk to anyone that was pursuing a
[1:10:04] career or
[1:10:06] trying to decide what to do with life
[1:10:08] it's just like once you pick something
[1:10:11] that find people who Inspire and start
[1:10:14] you and
[1:10:16] follow your passion and your dreams and
[1:10:18] don't look into the bubble there's
[1:10:19] always going to be people who will
[1:10:21] actually put you down
[1:10:22] yes
[1:10:24] Luis thank you so much for your time
[1:10:25] today this was fun awesome great