Building Blocks to Success: Mastering Goal Setting with Leilani Batty (Ep: 39)

[0:00] welcome Lani thank you so much this is
[0:03] exactly 1 year ago that where we met for
[0:06] our first session in which we talk about
[0:09] similar topic goal setting your process
[0:12] your vision board how you're planning
[0:14] the long-term goal and how you're
[0:16] planning on a day to-day basis lilani
[0:20] work at Advent help as a director of pmo
[0:23] office she managed all of our IT project
[0:26] she and her team and sadly she is
[0:30] leaving us to join another company but
[0:33] we are also excited that she's starting
[0:35] her new endover so with that Leilani
[0:39] welcome to the podcast I'm so excited to
[0:43] have you again thank you thank you so
[0:46] much for watching me I'm excited to be
[0:47] here again to you and share an update
[0:50] and talk about the journey both
[0:52] professionally personally or an ad and
[0:55] and just like you said it's bit sweet
[0:56] for me as I can impr my journey with ad
[0:58] and health but I take with me a lot of
[1:01] knowledge and learnings from the theme
[1:03] that I'll definitely use in my next
[1:05] chapter in my life that will continue to
[1:08] your further my growth in my
[1:10] development
[1:12] awesome
[1:14] congratulations I'm sure our part will
[1:16] cross again regarding the last podcast
[1:19] where we talk about bull setting we talk
[1:22] about how you plan so one of the thing
[1:25] that you mention is your fire system
[1:28] where you want to fire yourself in 10
[1:30] years so how are you doing with progress
[1:33] and the big goals that you have
[1:36] absolutely first off for those that
[1:38] aren't familiar with what wiring
[1:40] yourself needs it's definitely
[1:43] ative activity or goal it means
[1:46] financial Independence retire
[1:50] early and what that means is you want to
[1:54] position yourself financially so that
[1:57] you can do whatever it is you want to do
[1:59] with your life whether that means you
[2:02] want to continue in the role that you
[2:04] serve in in a particular company or
[2:07] organization or if you want to Branch
[2:09] out and do your wrong thing or if you
[2:11] just simply want to enjoyy time um
[2:15] puring stes and being me family I do
[2:18] feel like I progressing really well in
[2:21] that file I know there's a lot
[2:24] of discussion on learning and social
[2:27] media around inflation or things more
[2:30] expensive and costing more that's so for
[2:32] me and my family we want to spend we
[2:35] minimize our expenses things are paed
[2:37] off the house p and so we're in a really
[2:40] good place that said obviously there not
[2:43] quite there yet but they still need to
[2:44] pursue a day di to to continue that goal
[2:48] but I do feel that I we've established
[2:50] my family and I have established a
[2:52] really great foundation in terms of our
[2:54] debt ratio um don't have any debt and
[2:58] we're on a path so that for own at some
[3:01] point I can pursue a a different
[3:04] Endeavor that that'll allow me to be
[3:07] more aous and enviral you said you don't
[3:10] have any no we all our cars paid off
[3:13] college education for our son is paid
[3:15] off the house is paid off we we have a
[3:18] credit card but we use that simply just
[3:20] to you know make purchases and PID that
[3:22] off and every statement we contribute to
[3:27] our retire our only retirement plans sub
[3:30] not our ability so yeah we're from a
[3:34] depth perspective we are actually really
[3:35] good proud of ourselves keep wow that
[3:39] that's awesome
[3:41] congratulations we also believe in that
[3:43] philosophy and we minimize whatever we
[3:47] can minimize so we have paid out for our
[3:50] house and the rental but then we move
[3:53] into this house so we still have that
[3:56] but that's one other thing that we try
[3:58] to do is to not have any debt yes that
[4:01] is so important if you want to Achieve
[4:04] Financial Independence there's obviously
[4:06] there's a con having good debt which is
[4:09] something that you can look at getting
[4:12] some tax savings on like house payment
[4:14] or the mortgage but we try to avoid all
[4:17] that as much as possible and in the that
[4:19] something were to financially impact us
[4:22] that we could absorb that so they're in
[4:24] a good shape in case of any emergencies
[4:27] through and I'm sure you can understand
[4:30] having something feed off like that it
[4:32] feels really impress yes so moving into
[4:36] the your big goal think about long-term
[4:39] goal you have this fire goal and plus
[4:44] some other aspiration around joy around
[4:47] your sight passion around other things
[4:50] so how do you plan and track those long
[4:53] 10 years
[4:55] goals yeah and it's funny because when
[4:58] you make a ball
[5:00] I don't want people to think that okay I
[5:01] made this goal I'm just G to stick with
[5:03] it and it's never going to change no
[5:05] your goals change yes as you try
[5:08] something you assimilate new information
[5:11] and evidence how that Wells Pro
[5:14] progressing you may realize okay I need
[5:16] to Trigg it maybe I need to put it a
[5:17] little bit the the Big B is is being
[5:20] able to have Financial Independence that
[5:23] is the longterm goal the the steps to
[5:26] get there that will take well my one
[5:31] year maybe six months to get there that
[5:34] is what I I constantly evaluate and put
[5:38] it on for
[5:39] example this time last year I was
[5:43] looking at something a personal fashion
[5:46] project of mine outside of what I do my
[5:49] daytime career to help funnel more more
[5:53] income into that fire bul of mine uh
[5:57] didn't quite work out the way I expected
[5:59] you know what that's okay you've got to
[6:01] feel multiple times of you make that
[6:04] that that big discovery that that you
[6:06] find that thing that actually works for
[6:08] you um very rarely is anybody um going
[6:12] to be able to try something and knock it
[6:16] out of the par the first time this time
[6:18] last year I experimented with was
[6:20] something on the side and it taught me a
[6:24] lot and that I'm grateful for it taught
[6:27] me about expressing myself it taught me
[6:30] about communication it taught me about
[6:31] taking risk and measure risk and it
[6:35] taught me to understand where where my
[6:38] limits are what I need to balance and it
[6:41] didn't quite work out the way I expected
[6:43] and that's okay and then you made me
[6:45] realize okay what else do I enjoy what
[6:47] else is my passion what else do I feel
[6:50] like my purpose is out there and I CED
[6:53] it and so now I have a new goal still
[6:56] leveraging the learnings that I had from
[6:58] last year leveraging the learnings I get
[7:00] out now and like communication and and
[7:03] how to make myself more visible out
[7:06] there and so it still
[7:09] supports that long-term fire
[7:12] goal fact that moved up my fire goal but
[7:15] um I've accelerated the timeline for it
[7:18] uh I don't think it's I don't think you
[7:20] know it's necessarily going to take 10
[7:22] years um I I really do hope it take less
[7:25] time than that um but again as I'm
[7:27] tracking towards and as I looking at
[7:31] okayy how am I doing on an annual basis
[7:33] how am I doing on a quarterly basis or
[7:37] how am my on the right so that's how I
[7:40] try to break up a very big goow into
[7:43] just measurable stat and even so much
[7:46] just so going into finer detail as
[7:49] looking at the weekly basis or the bases
[7:53] what is like R purple
[7:55] s and and then I leave a break it down
[7:58] and say what is my book then what should
[8:00] I do today this one little thing that
[8:03] will just inch me full seing that full
[8:06] whether it's reading a blog or listening
[8:10] to my favorite audio book or watching it
[8:13] or really qu mix video that relates to
[8:17] that my project whatever little I can
[8:21] keep moving forward I just feel like I
[8:23] don't do something for mental eaching
[8:25] and not how small it is that there's
[8:29] that risk of losing momentum so it's
[8:32] taking very small measurable steps but
[8:36] still looking at a year five years and
[8:40] 10 years down the
[8:43] road I did not know about
[8:46] this by go that you were spreading this
[8:49] to other people what this mean can you
[8:51] can I ask some followup questions on
[8:53] that if you're open to share about it
[8:57] yeah what is the what a Spire actually
[9:00] stands for or something what was your
[9:03] project you said you was sharing that
[9:06] with other people you were trying to
[9:08] bring more people to that V uh that
[9:11] philosophy was it a sub mentorship that
[9:14] you was giving to other people no not at
[9:16] all I from the fire perspective this is
[9:18] just something I like to share and talk
[9:20] about and get people's ideas but from my
[9:23] passion project on the side I was more
[9:26] looking towards getting into more the
[9:28] e-commerce space more specifically into
[9:32] 3D printing and creating designs and and
[9:36] being able to designs and thinking
[9:38] Services didn't really quite work out to
[9:40] R inspector but I learned a lot about
[9:44] again like I said communication planning
[9:47] what is marketable out there and so on
[9:51] oh okay got it got it
[9:55] okay okay so we talk about that your
[9:58] longterm project and then you have this
[10:01] uh fashion project that you tried last
[10:03] year and you have another one this year
[10:05] so these are one year duration that you
[10:08] try you you do the learning and then you
[10:10] apply it to something else and and one
[10:12] of the thing that you said that you
[10:15] applying the learning from the last year
[10:18] passion project to this year and I
[10:21] always believe when I share that our
[10:25] life is like Doc
[10:26] projects or puzzle pieces where you work
[10:30] on left hand side sometime right hand
[10:34] side and then other areas and then at
[10:37] some point the you see the big
[10:40] picture and in times with think that
[10:43] whatever we have done to years ago it
[10:45] was all based but when you see this big
[10:48] picture you it everything makes sense
[10:51] that yes they spent the time that I
[10:53] spent 2 years ago on doing something
[10:56] unrelated it does have a place in this
[10:59] big
[11:00] picture that is is so true I I you may
[11:04] think that something required a couple
[11:07] years ago is completely be completely
[11:09] unrelated to Something in the future but
[11:13] maybe you exercise a creative aspect of
[11:15] your mind in designing something years
[11:18] ago and then next year you've evolved in
[11:21] your role or whatever like to pursue in
[11:24] the future requires you to do some kind
[11:26] of graphic exing or writing something
[11:29] that you had learned previously it it
[11:32] leverages leverage that it all builds
[11:35] upon each other and at some point
[11:37] perhaps it even reveals that gift and
[11:40] talent that you meant to Victory the
[11:42] world which is at like legal blocks and
[11:45] pieces that it build until you see this
[11:47] final Masterpiece of a product that that
[11:51] that you realize this is what you're
[11:52] meant to do yeah that is so
[11:55] true I want to see a few more minutes on
[12:00] this long-term
[12:01] planning and I will bring some friction
[12:06] characters so that we can we can have
[12:08] some example to talk about so my
[12:11] fictional character is a web developer
[12:14] and they go through different life cycle
[12:17] they start at some point where they are
[12:20] learning and then applying a new job
[12:23] when they get the first job from that
[12:25] point to until two years or 3 years
[12:29] they're trying to figure it out and then
[12:32] trying to grow themsel into a senior and
[12:35] then the life keep go on for them there
[12:41] are at least 50 different thing that
[12:43] they have to learn they cannot do all of
[12:45] them in one year one month right but
[12:48] it's so it there is an anxiety of I mean
[12:53] here for three years and I need to learn
[12:55] Cloud I need to learn this new AI based
[12:59] technology or machine learning they
[13:01] cannot do all that same apply to any
[13:05] long-term goal where you have this big
[13:08] aspiration big Direction and then you
[13:11] have to break that into pieces and then
[13:14] you can only select one or maximum two
[13:16] or three pieces that you can work on and
[13:20] then you have to wait for 3 months 6
[13:23] months a year to try something else so
[13:26] with that background question number one
[13:29] you probably have the similar type
[13:31] of anxieties excitement that you want to
[13:34] do 10 different things how do you select
[13:37] what is that one thing that you will
[13:39] focus on and two months later 3 months
[13:42] later 6 month later you still discipline
[13:45] yourself that I have picked this and I
[13:47] will focus on this for certain duration
[13:51] yeah I think there's actually a a legit
[13:54] form for this type of people like
[13:55] multi-passionate type of individuals
[13:58] I'll tell you when I was Elementary
[14:01] School AG maybe about 11 years old mean
[14:04] I wanted to be everything when I grew up
[14:06] as I want to be aarian I wanted to be a
[14:10] fashion designer I wanted to be an
[14:12] animator I didn't want to be an
[14:14] astronaut and they would always joke to
[14:17] me I was be in the whole world and you
[14:19] want you to find time to do all that I I
[14:21] could definitely relate and trying to
[14:24] narrow the focus is almost like having
[14:25] ADHD for careers speak of like oh that
[14:29] sounds cool I want to try that I've
[14:30] certainly lived that that gam I after I
[14:34] was in high school I wanted to be a
[14:35] fashion designer design a lot of clothes
[14:37] was was working to get into a fashion
[14:39] school went to computer science
[14:42] instead and then I up my computer
[14:45] science degree actually went The
[14:46] Culinary management and then I still to
[14:48] be a
[14:48] s and and then I actually B an AA and
[14:52] graphic design I tried lots of different
[14:54] things so I can definitely relate to the
[14:56] fictional character why to trying and do
[14:59] different things and we're just spending
[15:01] time mastering something before they try
[15:03] something else it's um but you're right
[15:08] at some point you have to just focus
[15:12] pick something and just give it a shot I
[15:15] think the challenges is that you're
[15:17] thinking in your mind what if what are
[15:19] the opportunity cost of me not picking
[15:22] the other thing I could have been
[15:24] successful in that in that
[15:26] other yeah but the same time could be
[15:29] very successful in in this one thing
[15:31] we're trying out now that you're
[15:32] focusing right now I would be successful
[15:34] in all of them
[15:37] but but you're right it is important to
[15:40] at least give one pick one give it a
[15:43] focus a concered effort that's really
[15:45] what I did last year like last year I I
[15:48] developed a
[15:50] an 3D containment cons so much
[15:53] information and I learned a whole lot of
[15:55] stuff and I think think it some a really
[15:57] Unique Piece say that I was really proud
[16:00] of and I don't consider it a waste of
[16:03] time I consider it time L done and
[16:06] that's good and I know that it's
[16:07] something that I continue to leverage in
[16:10] in
[16:12] future future things I want to char what
[16:14] do you want to be when you grow up I'm
[16:16] still trying to figure that out I know a
[16:18] lot of people are still trying to figure
[16:19] it out
[16:22] too pick one give it a shot time box it
[16:27] as a developer if you're working on a
[16:29] spum team and you're familiar with time
[16:31] boxing tell yourself hey I'm going to
[16:34] give this from year I think be years
[16:37] pretty fair enough duration of time to
[16:41] to experiment and and give it a sh and
[16:45] determine what your success criteria is
[16:49] whether it's I money bation by the end
[16:53] of this 12 months or I want to complete
[16:55] two projects uh by the end of this qu or
[16:59] this one and if you are successful in
[17:02] that then I they wasti you're on the
[17:04] right track and keep going um but if
[17:08] you're saying that the results aren't
[17:09] what you're expecting then considering
[17:12] it's okay uh a lot of people I don't
[17:15] want to try I don't want to be I don't I
[17:16] don't want to feel you kind different
[17:19] things to find the right one yeah and so
[17:22] going back to this fictional character
[17:25] this person has three year of experience
[17:26] want to be a senior have done something
[17:29] probably missing some other thing what
[17:31] would be your suggestion how this person
[17:35] should approach now I am asking you this
[17:39] question as two qualities that you have
[17:43] two skills that you have you you're the
[17:45] director of the pmo is you can break
[17:47] things apart and give steps to anything
[17:50] and then second you have been into this
[17:53] position where you have helped other
[17:56] people grow from Jun Junior to senior to
[17:59] leaders so I I wanted to share ask you
[18:03] as an open question that how would you
[18:06] guide this person the first part is how
[18:08] would I guide that person into figuring
[18:10] out which area to focus
[18:12] on yeah because between a junior to
[18:15] senior they probably things and then
[18:18] certifications education skills
[18:21] experience all that I I think the first
[18:23] question I would ask is what do they
[18:26] want for them
[18:29] um and really try to
[18:31] understand um what does what do they
[18:36] love um what has meaning to
[18:39] them uh and what why
[18:41] doing because as a developer you could
[18:45] there's different facets you could be
[18:47] front end developer full stack developer
[18:49] be backend developer you be you WR API
[18:54] so there's different aspects to it I
[18:56] think the first question on your St the
[18:58] underlying motivations were we be find
[19:01] and S feeling in the zone back when I
[19:04] used to be a full staff developer I
[19:06] really felt myself in the zone when I
[19:09] was designing for and working on
[19:12] new didn't as much enjoy writing
[19:15] transact sequels St procedures but some
[19:19] it's I think what understand what did
[19:22] they enjoy spending the I
[19:24] on and that would then help me to
[19:27] understand what when going to give them
[19:28] as far as what kind of
[19:31] certifications that they should
[19:33] pursue so that would be part one and
[19:36] then I guess the second question and
[19:39] more
[19:40] around where to to find that kind of
[19:43] information or tell me a little bit more
[19:45] so I know how it answer best way yes
[19:48] thank you thank you for answering that
[19:50] question and I will come back to this
[19:52] from a frontend poch developer to
[19:55] director of pmo how that happened so
[19:57] we'll come back back to that in a
[20:00] second so let's say this person required
[20:03] two
[20:04] certification five soft skills and some
[20:08] new programming that this person has to
[20:11] to learn and the first step would be to
[20:14] identify this so this person has
[20:16] identified person identifi the
[20:18] motivation as well backend yay and then
[20:22] then he has bunch of or she has bunch of
[20:25] things like almost seven eight 10 things
[20:29] cannot do all of them so the first step
[20:32] would be to align it to a year six month
[20:36] something that they will have to do in
[20:39] that case I would want or Sate like the
[20:42] same question what is it they during
[20:45] what aspect of development brings them
[20:48] the most joy that they find themselves
[20:50] well prioritize that try to
[20:54] prioritize what are the requirements to
[20:56] get them for where they are today when
[20:58] you need to really want to be Point V in
[21:02] the future and determine okay what are
[21:05] this dations what the classes they need
[21:07] to take try to identify if they want to
[21:10] be a senior developer what
[21:12] certifications are needed and we senior
[21:15] developer you're going to have some
[21:17] leadership understanding and being able
[21:20] to have some emotional intelligence to
[21:23] deal with other people can be demanding
[21:25] on your time so I would Rec men for them
[21:29] to to try and sprinkle in throughout
[21:33] their week make like a a road map a game
[21:36] plan of of all the things that they
[21:39] should try to
[21:41] accomplish if they have a goal that they
[21:44] want to be their junior develop right
[21:46] now and their goal is to be a senior
[21:48] developer in five years plus b in three
[21:50] years in three years then I would
[21:53] probably tell them okay let's take a
[21:55] look at this bu that you need maybe
[21:56] there's certain program languages they
[21:58] need to learn maybe they need to also
[22:03] learn certain testing skills and what
[22:05] notot and Tool skills so we're talking
[22:08] those specific
[22:09] Technologies um then let's talk about
[22:11] the soft skills they need just
[22:13] communication and build in presentations
[22:15] with your and your developer you need to
[22:17] be able
[22:18] to um and then we will make the backlog
[22:21] of all those things will we need to
[22:23] accomplish or should properly try to
[22:25] accomplish and then we can prioritize
[22:27] that treat yourself like a
[22:29] project treat yourself like a
[22:33] product and build your own personal
[22:36] product grow more and say okay by the
[22:39] end of this two weeks Sprint this is
[22:41] what I'm going to accomplish another
[22:43] claps I'm going to tap this is the mini
[22:45] goals from marel and then after the end
[22:48] of two weeks black the fact did I do it
[22:51] with did I were do I like it do I need
[22:53] to Pivot and then ask the same question
[22:56] in month in four until you get to that
[22:59] year and see are you growing at to be to
[23:04] fit the threeyear goal of developer
[23:08] thank you work break down a structure
[23:10] always right step when you lead the P
[23:17] team from a full te developer to
[23:21] director of pmo how did happen I don't
[23:24] think we talk about that last day I I
[23:27] don't know I don't think think I did
[23:28] either it started again my whole journey
[23:32] started at Disney and I wrote back then
[23:36] it was Visual
[23:37] Basic and we evoled into that and all
[23:41] just like vb.net and I
[23:44] C and and what the other silver light
[23:48] was our front stack that we used and we
[23:51] were a SQL Server back in database R SQL
[23:55] so did our own data modeling for
[23:57] database structure and it was a lot of
[24:00] fun I I enjoy getting in the zone of
[24:03] knowing as a product that we needed to
[24:05] build and being able to solve the
[24:07] challenges and creating something for
[24:10] our internal clients to use but at some
[24:14] point I think it was probably around I
[24:17] did it for about 10 years and I realized
[24:19] I I was struggling and trying to keep up
[24:21] with the latest tools and
[24:23] technology and my mom actually told me
[24:25] hey why don't you go into dep of
[24:27] management and she herself was an it she
[24:29] was a VA this is analyst for an IT
[24:32] organization I thought about I'm like
[24:34] yeah sure I'm G the L and she told me
[24:36] about the p& in the exam how hard it was
[24:39] that was always good for a good you know
[24:41] Challenge and so I I pursue that and I
[24:44] and it took me some time but I got on
[24:46] the first try and if anybody's curious
[24:49] about how do one go about getting the PN
[24:52] there's in particular approach to T I'm
[24:54] happy to share that with anybody but it
[24:57] is a I really a b certification and as
[24:59] soon as my leader saw that I was serious
[25:02] about maybe switching be a little bit
[25:04] and when I got the P because there a
[25:06] reallyi parts think chire they started
[25:08] handing me projects and okay let's give
[25:10] it a shot you why don't you lead this
[25:13] project with another more seent
[25:16] experienc project
[25:17] manager and I did really well because I
[25:21] enjoy
[25:21] planning and that kind of talent and
[25:26] well passion mind being able to plan
[25:28] with parties being a events that that
[25:31] thinking of what if is really handy to
[25:34] have as a c manager and I did really
[25:37] well and for more projects and
[25:39] eventually they said hey we want to try
[25:41] something different let's go
[25:44] agile they brought in an agile coach and
[25:46] I really enjoyed the collaborative
[25:49] nature and really seem to suit my
[25:51] personality of of being a servant leader
[25:54] and taking care of my team and then
[25:56] moving blockers as a opposed to standard
[25:59] project manager need to do this delegate
[26:02] work do that where are you to me so it
[26:06] evolved from developing full stack to
[26:10] project management traditional project
[26:12] management to here let's try different
[26:14] asual approaches I me more our mindset
[26:17] and then responsibility started more to
[26:20] me more leadership opportunities came to
[26:23] me and I I managed a team and then next
[26:26] thing I know I'm leing agile te and then
[26:30] I'm leaving and then here I
[26:33] in
[26:38] well you keep grabbing the fortunity
[26:40] that into your way yeah I that's to be
[26:44] to be open to New Opportunities and
[26:47] experiences that people offer you and to
[26:51] listen you make you're something that
[26:53] hits your interest know right and see
[26:55] where it takes you see or a PMP exam I
[26:59] did the training and for 2 3 years I was
[27:02] not 2 years I was not preparing for the
[27:05] exam actually and then finally I made my
[27:08] mind just because it was bothering me
[27:10] too much like why I'm not doing why I'm
[27:13] not doing this and then once I made up
[27:15] my mind I have to uninstall all my
[27:18] social applications to be able to focus
[27:21] but then I did
[27:23] it and just 6 month 3 months ago one of
[27:28] my friend he is a friend from my college
[27:31] I know him for 25 30 years now and he
[27:35] did PMP exam and the reason for him is
[27:39] we were just talking and he wanted to do
[27:41] something and I said let's do this and I
[27:44] don't know whether or not this will help
[27:47] you in your career uh whether or not you
[27:50] will be able to get a job after this but
[27:53] by clearing this you will have a mind
[27:56] shift that that you was able to achieve
[27:59] something that is beyond you think uh
[28:02] you can and that's exactly what's
[28:05] happening learning with them that is
[28:08] that is excellent it's always good to
[28:10] try something and really stretch
[28:13] yourself uh it may not be something you
[28:15] you may use in your future but the fact
[28:17] that you go out of your comfort zone
[28:19] like you friend and challenged himself
[28:22] to CH something that is actually pretty
[28:24] quite difficult to do not many people
[28:26] ask it gives you that that
[28:29] confidence to keep going forward so yeah
[28:32] that I complely agree for sure so yeah
[28:35] and and what is happening to him he he
[28:38] started learning as some of the thing
[28:40] that he didn't think about doing a year
[28:43] ago now it's it just he feel I think
[28:46] it's the the confidence that comes from
[28:49] inside that he can do anything that he
[28:52] want now because he was able to do that
[28:55] that that is so true is is his goal to
[28:57] become a project manager
[29:00] or he want so he's he just want to get a
[29:06] better be at a better place when where
[29:09] he is right now so whether it is a
[29:11] combination of a project manager and a
[29:13] develop leader or as a project manager
[29:18] something yeah and that CL cation gives
[29:21] you an appreciation and a perspective
[29:23] even if we don't go into that wall
[29:25] perhaps there in that wall
[29:28] what they are trying to do to accomplish
[29:31] their projects and
[29:34] their we're going to get deeper into uh
[29:37] some of the goal setting so we talk
[29:40] about long-term planning we talk about
[29:42] how focusing on one thing and it's
[29:45] sticking with that your time frame as
[29:49] you said about a year and and you decide
[29:52] those goals on your birthday um that's
[29:56] another philosophy that you you have so
[29:58] once you decide a goal a big goal you
[30:02] also talk about breaking that and
[30:04] tracking so let's get deeper into that
[30:07] uh how exactly you divide your big goal
[30:11] into steps will break down structure how
[30:14] do you do that and then how do you break
[30:18] it enough or identify that for April
[30:23] month you going to be doing this May
[30:28] June July and how do
[30:31] you go break them further for a weekly
[30:35] plan so let's go there excellently like
[30:40] you mentioned I don't really like to do
[30:42] goal settings at the top of the calendar
[30:44] year I like to do them on my birthday
[30:47] for
[30:48] one when you celebrate your birth with
[30:51] you your life cycle as opposed to please
[30:55] everybody just some kind of New Year's
[30:58] resolution then
[31:00] on so for me it just has more meaning um
[31:04] when it's your birthday because it's
[31:05] more intimate to you in the case for
[31:07] example like I was telling you about
[31:10] that the I had a particular goals and I
[31:14] I said okay I'm going to going to try it
[31:16] for a year uh and I'm want to learn from
[31:18] it uh in that time frame what I did was
[31:23] I I said okay this My Success criteria
[31:25] by the end of this year within the near
[31:28] XYZ we is to establish a a marketpl for
[31:31] it to X number of signs whatever it I
[31:35] had to CH it to be then I had to think
[31:38] about what is it I need to do to get
[31:40] there what am I lacking what is the
[31:43] things that are getting me the most FL
[31:45] what do I need to learn and I found
[31:48] about I
[31:49] already is thing do I know about
[31:54] modeling I need to brush that off that
[31:56] off so I then looked at okay where do I
[31:59] want to be 6 months from
[32:01] now and then I looked at where do I want
[32:04] to three Mon and that was in my
[32:08] particular case Okay I want to make it
[32:10] to establish an
[32:11] LC I want to establish maybe AER site
[32:16] platform I want to be able to I need to
[32:20] start ingesting learning materials to
[32:22] figure out how do I get myself to to
[32:26] being
[32:27] in what skill set so I would do that and
[32:31] then on a weekly basis I said okay I BL
[32:35] I still have my family I I have my job
[32:39] and I still have to focus on that as a
[32:41] priority day job and my family and so
[32:45] what the what time is that with and
[32:49] obviously it's just going to be a c of
[32:50] your time but you have to commit to
[32:54] yourself will set aside an hour a day to
[32:58] F so so that is what makes the
[33:01] difference in the on macro level but
[33:04] then ultimately have to look at in the
[33:07] micro detail level what are the the
[33:09] Small intermental Things They Mak can do
[33:11] with moving I'm old
[33:14] school I keep old school notebook as a
[33:17] journal I know a lot of people out there
[33:19] have moried they use your their tablets
[33:22] and your phones iPhones and
[33:24] devices there you go you're all needs
[33:28] there's something that you can't be by
[33:29] writing something down the piece of
[33:31] paper although I do have my appleing to
[33:34] write it there too is there's
[33:36] something that feels a little bit
[33:38] different when you're writing in ouren
[33:39] piece of of Paper Plus the battery
[33:41] doesn't die on you when you actually
[33:42] have pH notebook so that's where I would
[33:45] do a lot of the pap this is my do for
[33:48] week Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday
[33:52] Friday and I would set an intention of
[33:55] okay before I sign for the day I want to
[33:59] watch this YouTube video on
[34:03] spce and then I would set an intention
[34:08] of maybe Saturday or Sundays when I
[34:10] would actually that's my day of creation
[34:13] where I will take what I learn follow
[34:15] the videos podcast social media and
[34:18] starty to actually apply it towards
[34:20] doing at something this Collective
[34:22] aspect of my Pion project and that will
[34:25] be my routine every week
[34:27] Monday morning learn something Tuesday
[34:29] Morning learn something else thing
[34:33] Wednesday Thursday Friday and Saturday
[34:34] Sund was actually apply what I learned
[34:37] and then
[34:42] Run results were vary it all depends on
[34:46] everybody else's own personal fashion
[34:49] project but the the the method and and
[34:54] the pattern and the prespective steps
[34:56] are always still the same start ma bre
[34:59] it down until you can get into your
[35:02] manageable chunks that you achieve
[35:03] puring what you saying that for your
[35:07] week you have exact HS for each week
[35:12] that's what I mean if somebody have not
[35:14] heard this I want to emphasize that what
[35:17] you're saying is you're not talking
[35:20] about a time table you're talking about
[35:22] a timetable and a specific item in those
[35:25] time slots
[35:27] cor cor if somebody's is trying to
[35:32] develop their saer development
[35:34] proficiency again going back
[35:36] to the fictional person is trying to
[35:39] grow themselves from a junior developer
[35:41] to a senior developer they would look at
[35:44] okay make sure I reserve an hour each
[35:47] day to do learning you know maybe
[35:51] another hour each day to to do practice
[35:55] and flying and if that's not feasible
[35:58] then maybe it's a half hour each day or
[36:00] maybe it's an hour Monday but they get
[36:02] the weekend into applying that practical
[36:05] knowledge um again results were very
[36:07] depend on
[36:08] everything commitment family time and
[36:11] whatnot and
[36:12] Par that consistent consist yes this is
[36:16] great we what you're saying a year
[36:21] breaking doing research breaking those
[36:25] into pieces and then making a
[36:27] plan and out you talk about some outcome
[36:31] related goal 6 month and three month and
[36:35] then you talk about some action related
[36:37] goals that these are the action that you
[36:39] will take and these are the outcome that
[36:42] you're
[36:43] expecting and and those are like 6 month
[36:46] 3 month one month and then you're
[36:48] talking about a weekly schedule and
[36:51] you're talking about a daily uh not we
[36:54] daily but exact action item for the week
[36:58] and the weekend wow you quit break it up
[37:02] daily so people it's like exercise right
[37:05] you want to set sides and so not just
[37:08] exercise with physical body exercise
[37:10] with physical brain you're learning what
[37:12] you need to do get you to take those
[37:15] actual steps to apply it and you from
[37:18] into your
[37:19] B so leani by by this time you have this
[37:23] plan you have this you know exactly what
[37:25] you're doing this week what are
[37:27] different reviews that you do so when do
[37:29] you create this week plan is that part
[37:32] of your weekly review it's that part of
[37:34] something else yeah and I say it it
[37:38] sounds very much like a a a scrum scrum
[37:41] based approach the truth is it works
[37:43] right uh instead of a SC team it's a
[37:46] team of one looking at yourself as not
[37:48] just the product owner and the scum
[37:49] master and the do you the whole thing
[37:52] yeah it a lot of the same principles
[37:54] apply all set the book all my intention
[37:58] on a and this back I'll look at my week
[38:01] on the Sunday I'll look at my even my
[38:04] work calender on the Sunday to see
[38:06] what's what is expected to go me and
[38:08] then I'll black and see okay what I need
[38:10] to do on the personal level for my
[38:13] personal goals for that week and what do
[38:17] I want to accomplish I there this book I
[38:19] want to week or there's this YouTube
[38:22] series that I want to watch or this
[38:23] master class I want to watch during this
[38:26] week they'll help me get where I want to
[38:28] go and I'll make the goal okay I want to
[38:31] get through all that or maybe I want to
[38:34] talk to somebody and I want to meet this
[38:36] person who has experience that I I want
[38:39] to know them I want to make a goal to
[38:41] set up time to adop this person um by
[38:44] the end of this just these little micel
[38:46] goals all been establishing that on
[38:49] Sunday and say okay I want to do this by
[38:53] the following Saturday and then usually
[38:55] I'll look back on a Saturday or Sunday
[38:58] weekends are the best days for me
[38:59] because obviously I'm not tied to any me
[39:01] it's my time it's being my family um and
[39:06] I'll look back and say okay but I who
[39:08] and and if he didn't because something
[39:09] PO outg with Senor work Mar came up I
[39:14] don't beat myself over give yourself
[39:16] some brace just know that just stay
[39:18] focus say you know what it's the second
[39:21] user St I have to roll it over to the
[39:22] next and we'll try it there but using I
[39:26] tried to reflect on you know my
[39:29] intentions with a week on or Sunday
[39:31] Saturday and Sunday so we started with
[39:33] year month week so now one more level on
[39:37] a day to day basis your day is crazy you
[39:42] have so many things for 9 to5 job and
[39:44] then you have your own passion project
[39:47] plus family and 10 other things and I
[39:50] know how your life would be um is where
[39:53] you probably get Two Three Fires a day
[39:56] uh normally so how do you protect uh
[39:59] your day for these aspirational
[40:05] project yeah that's and that can be
[40:08] challenging because
[40:10] work work is a priority your 95 and that
[40:15] is put on the table it's what takes care
[40:18] of the the physicalities of your
[40:21] carine so there are are definitely ways
[40:25] um to dedicated anything that Sac good
[40:28] fun like for me for example I always try
[40:31] to make sure and and my team knows this
[40:34] I put no meetings on my calendar from
[40:37] noon noon to 1:00 no meetings I go put
[40:41] meetings on my team English calendar on
[40:43] my col's calendar and then put meetings
[40:45] on my calendar during that time it's
[40:47] usually decline unless I know something
[40:50] that's spge the this year what gives me
[40:53] the mental braak that I need to charge
[40:56] Terry gives me an opportunity to re and
[40:59] digest and do something fun that's PR
[41:02] that nourishes my personal goals that's
[41:06] one thing the other thing is first thing
[41:08] in the morning A lot of times if you can
[41:11] set aside as part of your morning rual
[41:13] the opportunity to me to reflect to
[41:16] journal that's another opportunties
[41:18] before anybody can hit you thigh first
[41:21] thing the morning is of a great time the
[41:24] last thing then I I'll offer works for
[41:26] me and may not work for everybody on um
[41:29] their responsibili as an organization is
[41:32] on a Friday afternoon I have Institute
[41:35] my team no meetings on Friday afternoon
[41:38] it should be a time to catch up on we
[41:41] administrator to catch up on any so that
[41:45] your
[41:46] weekness there is less impact of 95 job
[41:50] on your weekend so you've been focused
[41:51] on your personal bows your family and
[41:54] whatever else is should P there are
[41:56] are those are just vales that you set
[41:59] for yourself and set for th to help
[42:02] protect our personal
[42:05] space and one last question on this uh
[42:08] segment what's your day in a life look
[42:11] like what what's your typical day look
[42:14] like I can tell you the right now
[42:16] because I'm as I'm transitioning roles
[42:18] and may not be saying you be ask me the
[42:20] M probably different but up until now a
[42:24] difficult day in my life I W up at 5:30
[42:26] in the morning and I I work get my my
[42:29] son out of bed and ready for school as a
[42:32] 15-year-old it can be challenging to
[42:34] they must stay in bance s but usually
[42:36] he's out the door by 6:30 and between
[42:40] 6:30 and 8:00 it's usually to be quiet
[42:43] for me I don't have to go in the office
[42:45] and then gives me a chance maybe about
[42:47] half hour to an hour to to I I always do
[42:52] the Tim my Fusion it helps to steal my
[42:55] mind it helps me to make
[42:59] blacken once I do that meditation I'll
[43:02] just in mind for then if there are
[43:06] certain podcasts or videos or things I
[43:12] wonder you that help Mar my personal
[43:14] project I'll take that time as well and
[43:17] then usually my day starts walk by
[43:19] around 8:00 and then my 9 to5 by 8 to 5
[43:23] whatever feels in full lunchtime I may
[43:26] have an opportunity to to and read
[43:29] something fun um like I mentioned and
[43:32] then usually I pretty much done for the
[43:35] day by around
[43:37] 5:30 uh occasionally there may be some
[43:40] meetings or follow up but I need try to
[43:42] make it up to be done with the day by
[43:44] six o' and um put in the workout
[43:47] exercise is important but something else
[43:50] if I feel stuck if I got writers block I
[43:52] will go on the CH now and usually some
[43:56] movement helps to get me on Star it help
[43:58] to get me the thing of favorite things I
[44:00] tend to have ADHD and focus on a lot of
[44:03] little things walking helps me to focus
[44:06] on the problem I need to solve that yeah
[44:09] and then that's my day I'm usually in
[44:10] bed by 10 o'clock there's some dinner
[44:13] beforehand and maybe I'll watch a
[44:15] program or two on on TV but then that's
[44:17] my thing and then the
[44:20] weekends weekends Li I'm usually doy
[44:23] something with my family we try to get
[44:25] outside
[44:26] we I have most like family and my
[44:29] husband is his family here in Florida so
[44:31] we we are out of about with them
[44:33] sometimes as well but usually either
[44:36] Saturday or Sunday there's usually a
[44:38] good chunk of the day where I'm at home
[44:40] and I will make them out to to actually
[44:44] applying things that I learned
[44:46] throughout the week and Mak some real
[44:48] table that's where can have some Focus
[44:50] hours on my personal project but yeah
[44:54] majority of the weekend is dedicated to
[44:55] the being with them that's important too
[44:59] yeah is is a good time too I try not to
[45:02] focus on
[45:03] looking then thank you so much for
[45:05] sharing this this is you your R you have
[45:08] a solid
[45:10] routine it's not easy I mean I I'll tell
[45:13] you it's never it's it was not always so
[45:16] consistent because like you mentioned
[45:18] there this thing this desire one to
[45:20] focus on so many things at once but the
[45:23] key is to pick one try
[45:26] full time together in both do you use or
[45:30] should I say what are the different time
[45:33] management systems or framework that you
[45:36] use
[45:38] l from a time management perspective I
[45:41] time box
[45:43] things to make sure that un are spending
[45:47] too much time on particular social all
[45:50] time
[45:51] boet 15 minutes SP half an hour so not
[45:55] overing certain things um but I don't
[45:58] really subcribe to particular Tim
[46:01] philosopy I just try to work in inment
[46:04] and um and
[46:06] just thank you thank you so much for
[46:08] sharing all this we are at 542 I did
[46:12] book this until 5:15 but I didn't ask
[46:14] you do you have few more minutes
[46:16] or of course I want to show you the
[46:20] system that I'm using right now for my
[46:24] planning yeah to see it okay so I will
[46:27] share my screen okay okay this is notion
[46:31] again this is will come to this these
[46:33] are my digital product that I have
[46:36] created and uh one of them is quarterly
[46:39] planning book I have 3.0 funny we have
[46:43] Advent Health app 3.0 and my quarterly
[46:46] planning is also
[46:50] 3.0 but it comes with some instructions
[46:53] I have recorded a new video for this
[46:55] which which is uh my video editor is
[46:57] currently editing that so it comes with
[46:59] some instructions and what it has is a
[47:03] quarterly planning workbook workbook
[47:06] where there are multiple step step
[47:09] number one you think about everything
[47:11] that you want to do everything that is
[47:13] going on in your life and then you pick
[47:15] one of the focus area you define some
[47:18] clear goal in that and then make it very
[47:23] specific and then write one line that
[47:25] why why this goal matters to you and
[47:28] what will happen if you achieve it what
[47:30] will happen if you don't achieve it and
[47:33] then sorry okay you were saying
[47:36] something no I love it this this is
[47:39] great this really helps it to put that
[47:41] Focus again on
[47:43] that yeah and then you build the action
[47:46] plan just like how you were saying all
[47:48] the steps and then converting those
[47:50] steps into daily actions once you're
[47:53] done with it you go back to this page
[47:56] where you summarize everything in one
[47:59] View and then you actually create a time
[48:02] schedule for yourself you keep jotting
[48:05] down your
[48:07] accomplishment and then U it has some
[48:10] kind of vision board but then your
[48:13] areas project that you have identified
[48:17] and then the task and then it comes with
[48:20] some of the template to do the weekly
[48:23] review monthly and year review so all
[48:26] that and then so that's a product that I
[48:29] have created and I I'm sharing that as
[48:32] one of the free products so I'm not
[48:33] charging anyone for this I plan to make
[48:38] it I'm writing a ultimate guide that
[48:41] these two will become a bundle and then
[48:44] I have been using exact same System
[48:47] since October of last year so this is my
[48:50] third third third quarter where I'm
[48:54] trying to use it the whole concept is
[48:57] that you you just how we do a quarterly
[49:01] planning and you have a list of things
[49:03] you pick up your focus and then you
[49:06] stick with that Focus so I will show
[49:08] exactly how my look mind look like so
[49:12] these are all the different things I
[49:15] pick that building digital product as my
[49:17] primary focus for Q2 and then I had many
[49:23] ideas I pick this is ultim guide for
[49:26] time management system for web developer
[49:28] is one thing that I will focus on I made
[49:32] very specific with adding some dates
[49:34] around it and and then the outcome
[49:36] around it and these are the two thing
[49:39] that I would need to be able to do this
[49:42] and promote this so they are there and
[49:45] then um you will see that 9 to5 job is
[49:47] one of my conflict I do that I I try to
[49:51] identify everything that can hold me
[49:54] back uh um my gardening I mean anything
[49:57] that comes here I try to write exactly
[50:00] why I want to do this and then the build
[50:03] an action plan and then move it here
[50:06] which is where you will see that these
[50:09] are accomplishment from q1 I had in q1
[50:14] my goal was to identify that one thing
[50:16] that I want to offer I could help a web
[50:19] developer in 10 different ways but what
[50:21] is that one thing and I picked that time
[50:23] management is that one thing
[50:26] that's my bus where I ask them hop out
[50:29] into this bus and then I will take you
[50:31] to the to one of the outcom so again it
[50:35] take same approach that you were saying
[50:37] that by 30 I want to finish it by 15 I
[50:40] want to sell it and by March by June I
[50:44] want to earn $1,000 from it and then it
[50:47] has exact actions outcome and actions
[50:52] that what are the different thing that I
[50:54] can check mark why this goal and then
[50:57] this is these are the step this is just
[51:00] plain work breakdown structure the steps
[51:02] and then this is where the daily actions
[51:04] comes that on Friday exactly what I'm
[51:07] doing Saturday Monday so everything is
[51:11] Define and this is I just started doing
[51:14] this one that if I have a if I have to
[51:17] pick and I can only do two things these
[51:20] are the two thing that I will be able to
[51:21] do not anything else must have nice to
[51:26] have this is amazing like great lines
[51:29] are thinking alike it's this truly
[51:32] treating yourself like a product and a
[51:34] project that plan creating those
[51:37] priorities breaking it down water into
[51:40] the day level question free did you H
[51:42] your quarterly goals yes yes the
[51:45] quarterly so my goal for Q4 last
[51:48] year was to build this quarterly
[51:51] planning workbook build a product
[51:54] identify the different thing that I can
[51:56] help with offering so I I pick that the
[52:01] quarterly planning goal setting time
[52:03] management productivity all that and
[52:06] then identify who is that one person
[52:09] that I will be helping so that was my q1
[52:12] I identify what I will be out of 100
[52:16] thing I can help what will be that one
[52:20] thing and then who that person will be
[52:22] so I was able to pick a web develop as
[52:25] that one
[52:26] person that was the outcome of Q Q4 and
[52:31] then in q1 I had to Niche down from
[52:36] helping a web developer become a senior
[52:39] or productivity or language learning I
[52:42] had to nich down to my my goal was q1
[52:46] goal was to exactly what that one thing
[52:49] will be and that one thing will is time
[52:52] management so now I have time management
[52:54] for junior web developer and it I spent
[52:58] six month defining that for me um and
[53:01] that resonated with myself as well as
[53:04] the public uh audience and then
[53:08] this that's the next thing that I want
[53:10] to create this guide by end of this
[53:14] quarter you Q2 I I will be able to
[53:18] decide if I want to build a course
[53:20] around it if I want to build a cohort
[53:23] around it and idea is what is that one
[53:26] transformation that I can provide to
[53:28] this one person in four weeks five weeks
[53:31] St prayer and then then just this is the
[53:34] FI information but I have this task with
[53:39] with
[53:40] my this is the weekly review from last
[53:43] week and this will have all the
[53:45] different thing that I accomplish and
[53:49] other thing and this is my running week
[53:52] um this these are exact item that I
[53:55] am doing I can check mark this now and
[53:59] then what I try to do I try to keep
[54:02] track of things I haven't done this but
[54:05] this is exactly what my day looked like
[54:07] and I try to maintain and every time I
[54:10] try to pick that what are the top five
[54:12] items so I think what you I am following
[54:17] what you're what you have as the system
[54:20] and I use the notebook as well as the
[54:22] system love it I that this really
[54:26] putting the detail to it and I think
[54:30] something of this format this tool
[54:33] really helps to get people to hone in
[54:36] and zero in on what it is they need to
[54:38] focus on and really helps I think
[54:42] to
[54:44] minimize all the different competing
[54:46] priorities because you're really putting
[54:48] the energy and a fors that one in
[54:51] building a plan I think that's great yep
[54:54] I have
[54:56] so I've been running this quarterly
[54:58] planning Pi planning for Advent H app
[55:01] and I everything that I've learned
[55:03] everything I've tried I have put all
[55:06] that into this product to just like how
[55:09] you're
[55:10] saying from product to treating you and
[55:13] your aspiration as the product and
[55:15] building upon it quarter by quarter all
[55:18] right thank you so much Lani thank you
[55:20] so much for coming again in this podcast
[55:23] uh your wisdom
[55:25] your knowledge your experience can help
[55:28] many people and this podcast is will
[55:31] produce that results so thank you so
[55:33] much for spending your time is there any
[55:36] question do you have for me before we
[55:38] disconnect no no questions I just want
[55:40] to say thank you for inviting me and
[55:42] allowing me to share my experience with
[55:45] you and any listening and and I think
[55:48] what you are operating what you're doing
[55:51] you're sharing your knowledge you're
[55:52] getting other people to share their
[55:54] knowledge I think that's an amazing gift
[55:56] that's amazing to help the community so
[55:59] thank you for allowing me to do that uh
[56:02] I love the school and I love the
[56:04] conversation you're a brilliant person
[56:06] and and it's great to you have likeed
[56:09] conversation with you so happy to do
[56:11] wish you all the best for your new
[56:13] journey and thank you again thank you
[56:16] all right I'll see you right bye
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[56:23] bye