#24 Samantha Demers: Journey from a 9 to 5 Job to a Full-Time Content Creator

[0:00] first of all thank you so much for
[0:01] joining this uh and accepting my invite
[0:04] for
[0:05] this podcast in this interview
[0:07] thank you so much i'm excited to be here
[0:09] and i i know you for i think almost
[0:13] three months now
[0:15] through twitter face spaces and
[0:17] different other engagement i've been
[0:19] following you since january
[0:21] and
[0:22] the type of writing that you do type of
[0:24] encouragement that you give to
[0:26] fellow writers and
[0:29] other people
[0:31] that's that's what
[0:33] kind of got me into following you and
[0:36] then
[0:37] requesting you to come to this show
[0:40] oh that's so nice thank you
[0:43] before we begin i wanted to give you an
[0:45] opportunity to tell what you do why
[0:48] people would want to connect with you
[0:50] perfect so my name is samantha demers
[0:53] and i am mostly active on twitter i've
[0:57] been active for about a year i'm an
[0:59] older millennial i used to work for the
[1:01] house of commons of canada i had an
[1:03] established career there for 12 years i
[1:05] quit four years ago and wanted to become
[1:08] a content creator or write a book or
[1:10] start a podcast which was part of my
[1:12] idea of quitting my job and trying to do
[1:14] something else but i didn't create any
[1:16] content for four years i kept thinking i
[1:18] would but i didn't and finally a year
[1:21] ago i got tired of waiting and realized
[1:24] that if i hadn't started creating for
[1:26] four years that i wouldn't so even
[1:28] though i had ideas and i had half
[1:30] written blog posts and outlines for
[1:32] youtube videos or things like that i
[1:34] didn't put anything out there so a year
[1:36] ago i decided to start sharing my ideas
[1:38] on twitter i didn't have a niche i
[1:40] didn't exactly know what i was going to
[1:42] talk about i just knew that i want to
[1:44] share my ideas to inspire other people
[1:47] and to see what i could contribute to
[1:49] the world and over time my niche has
[1:52] kind of become
[1:53] talking about overcoming imposter
[1:55] syndrome and encouraging other creators
[1:58] to to get over their fears and their
[2:00] self-judgment to give themselves
[2:01] permission to create things and to share
[2:04] their ideas and i also share the
[2:07] practical ways that i've gone about
[2:09] doing that and how i organize my day and
[2:11] how i don't burn out as a content
[2:13] creator and i will add your twitter
[2:15] hyperlink and everything in the show
[2:17] notes whoever watching samantha is one
[2:20] of the nicest person out there on
[2:22] twitter who will help you
[2:25] and will go to any extent
[2:27] to help and mentor use
[2:30] that's so nice thank you
[2:33] so um let's
[2:35] go back to many years high school what
[2:38] you wanted to become
[2:40] so i was homeschooled as a a child and
[2:44] so even in high school i was
[2:46] homeschooled i'm the oldest of five kids
[2:48] and i live in canada and
[2:50] it's not super common to homeschool not
[2:52] as common as the united states but there
[2:54] are canadians that homeschool so
[2:56] i
[2:57] i had a hard time figuring out what i
[2:59] wanted to do my mom did put me in a lot
[3:00] of extra programs so i did sports and
[3:03] drama and music and different things but
[3:06] um i know for a long while i wanted to
[3:10] be a police officer that's something i
[3:11] was really interested in and then for a
[3:13] little while i wanted to be a dentist or
[3:15] a lawyer but just typical jobs that
[3:17] people want to be
[3:18] and nothing really stood out and so i've
[3:20] always struggled to really find my
[3:22] passion and what i really want to do
[3:25] so
[3:26] i just stumbled into the job that i got
[3:28] which was doing different types of
[3:30] office work and finally around 22 or 23
[3:33] years old i got the job at the house of
[3:35] commons and just i had started doing
[3:37] office work around 17 years old and just
[3:40] continued down that path so that's
[3:43] that's sort of i didn't have a really
[3:44] clear idea of what i wanted and then i
[3:47] just
[3:48] followed whatever came up thank you for
[3:50] sharing that and then how did you start
[3:53] your career journey so i got a job in an
[3:58] office when i was pretty young helping
[4:00] somebody organize their office did a
[4:02] small business and they helped me um and
[4:06] mentored me with administrative tasks
[4:07] and doing reception and from there i
[4:10] worked in different offices i worked for
[4:13] a car dealership in their admin
[4:15] department i worked for a non-profit for
[4:18] united way for a little while
[4:20] i worked at other different government
[4:22] jobs
[4:22] i moved to montreal when i first got
[4:24] married i worked for the montreal
[4:25] gazette for a few months when i would
[4:27] live there so i just did a lot of office
[4:29] jobs over time and then each time i
[4:32] moved to a new city
[4:34] or a new job opportunity i took what i
[4:37] had learned at my last jobs and just
[4:39] kept applying it to my new jobs
[4:42] okay and then you said your last job was
[4:45] a government job
[4:47] yeah so my main career was at the house
[4:48] of commons and i got that job through i
[4:51] was working for foreign agency looking
[4:53] for some full-time work and i got placed
[4:56] there and then over time applied and got
[4:58] a full-time position most of the time
[5:00] there i did second language tests and i
[5:03] also did other admin jobs over my career
[5:06] there at the end i got my dream job
[5:08] which was to be the event coordinator
[5:10] and i really loved that job because i
[5:12] got to incorporate
[5:14] creativity as well as being really
[5:17] planned and
[5:18] organized and i like those two sides and
[5:20] it's rare to find that in a job which is
[5:22] probably why it was hard for me to
[5:24] choose a job from a normal list of what
[5:27] would you like to be when you grow up
[5:28] because
[5:29] knowing that you're creative but also
[5:31] organized it's there's not jobs that
[5:33] kind of fit that description very often
[5:34] but i really enjoyed that when i was an
[5:37] event coordinator and um and now i think
[5:40] i like that too with content creation
[5:42] that i have to be organized and planned
[5:44] but also
[5:45] be creative and come up with ideas
[5:48] everybody says that that's a switch
[5:50] between left side of the brain and right
[5:52] side of the brain
[5:53] yeah i find that with my
[5:55] writing i have that um issue where i
[5:58] could be either in really creative like
[6:01] flowing coming up with ideas mode but
[6:03] then
[6:03] editing it's like you have to stop and
[6:05] and if you're doing it at the same time
[6:06] and you stop and you go to edit it's
[6:08] like a different part of your brain and
[6:10] then even from there if i'm editing and
[6:12] then have to write the headline that's
[6:14] also another part which is kind of
[6:16] creative but strategic at the same time
[6:18] and then if you're putting it on twitter
[6:20] you also have to have a lead in tweet
[6:22] which is a little bit different than the
[6:23] body and the main message so then that's
[6:26] a whole other part of my brain that i
[6:27] use so usually i find it better to break
[6:30] up the time you know to come back to it
[6:32] or do it the next day to do these
[6:33] different stages but the times that i
[6:36] have to do them all at once i've noticed
[6:37] that it really does
[6:39] stretch my brain because i'm going to
[6:40] these different parts to try to figure
[6:42] out how to how to do it and tapping into
[6:44] these other these different functions
[6:47] yeah at the house of commons you had
[6:50] your dream job
[6:51] and you decided to leave that what's the
[6:54] thought process there
[6:56] yeah that that was a really difficult
[6:58] decision so i had had the role for about
[7:01] 18 months
[7:02] and
[7:03] during that time i i loved the job i
[7:06] loved the team that i was on
[7:08] i had a lot of work on my plate and so i
[7:10] started to get burnt out but i also
[7:12] started to see more and more people that
[7:14] were doing things online
[7:16] and really enjoying their life for
[7:17] saying they had quit their job and now
[7:20] traveled the world or did different
[7:21] things or moved to another country
[7:23] and when i would think oh i would like
[7:25] to do that i realized that because i was
[7:28] stuck in this job and
[7:30] would have to be there until i was 55 at
[7:32] least which would be a young age to
[7:33] retire i couldn't leave the country i
[7:36] couldn't move somewhere else or travel
[7:38] for fun as much so
[7:40] i
[7:41] i was burnt out at the end i had a
[7:43] micromanaging boss that i
[7:46] couldn't put up with anymore and also my
[7:48] dream had changed so even though i had
[7:50] my dream job
[7:51] my dream had changed and
[7:54] i think having the burnout as well as
[7:56] the micromanaging boss and things like
[7:58] that made me realize that
[8:00] i had to make a decision for myself to
[8:03] quit my job and it was really hard to
[8:05] make because i'm a responsible person i
[8:08] had a mortgage i have two kids that were
[8:11] um in elementary school at the time but
[8:14] i also realized that when i thought
[8:16] about my daughters and if one of them
[8:18] would come to me and say mom i have this
[8:20] really great job and i feel really
[8:22] guilty quitting it but there's other
[8:23] things that i want to try doing of
[8:25] course i would tell them that they could
[8:27] quit and they should try something else
[8:28] but for myself i couldn't give myself
[8:31] permission to quit my job or to try
[8:33] something else so
[8:34] i decided that i couldn't be a hypocrite
[8:36] with my kids and therefore i should be
[8:40] an example and if that's something that
[8:42] i wanted to do to just
[8:44] pursue doing that and i also decided
[8:46] that i would rather spend the next 20
[8:48] years trying to figure out what i wanted
[8:51] to do and how i wanted to do it and make
[8:52] something work rather than being in a
[8:55] safe job for the next 20 years and then
[8:57] go and try to enjoy my life but i would
[8:59] be older so i decided i'd rather do it
[9:02] the other way
[9:04] so you did not have any other stream of
[9:07] income
[9:09] and you quit
[9:10] no i had my my husband was working and
[9:13] so it would be enough to get by so i
[9:16] quit my job and started figuring out
[9:18] what i wanted to do a different
[9:19] department offered me part-time work so
[9:21] i went there for another six months and
[9:24] then i left there and i did some
[9:26] different freelancing work and started
[9:27] to build up my skills doing marketing
[9:30] and uh writing and so i did some
[9:32] freelance work and then started working
[9:34] more with my husband who does online
[9:36] marketing and as i built up my skills i
[9:38] was contributing to his business as well
[9:40] so
[9:41] we
[9:42] we couldn't go on vacations we couldn't
[9:44] do as many fun things but i decided that
[9:46] it was worth a sacrifice but it wasn't
[9:48] complete like no money at all we did
[9:50] have enough to get by but just i had to
[9:52] cut out a lot of other things out of my
[9:54] life
[9:54] okay so this question is for
[9:57] people who are in job and want to start
[10:00] a
[10:01] a
[10:02] aspiration in the writing and creative
[10:04] field
[10:05] what would be your advice or what would
[10:08] maybe just sharing the details of the
[10:10] step that you have taken
[10:12] from the point you resigned
[10:14] from that job
[10:16] how did you get the freelancing how did
[10:18] what did you do for next like one year
[10:21] um
[10:22] to build up your presence
[10:25] yeah so i
[10:27] i think that one of the best things to
[10:28] do is if you're able to if you're if you
[10:31] can stick it out with your job
[10:32] especially if you need the income
[10:34] to start to get the skills that are
[10:38] things that you could do online easily
[10:39] so
[10:40] even if you want to write a novel and be
[10:42] a writer you can build up your skills of
[10:44] writing by learning copywriting or
[10:46] other
[10:47] writing skills that are in demand so
[10:49] that you could start to bring in income
[10:51] from that while you do your aspirational
[10:53] writing or something you really want to
[10:55] do
[10:56] so
[10:56] i think that if you can give yourself
[10:59] time to start to learn those skills by
[11:01] reading good books or looking up youtube
[11:03] videos and learn about sales or
[11:06] marketing or building a business or
[11:08] building websites or something that
[11:09] you'd be interested in to do on the side
[11:12] that would also help you get income
[11:14] later on so you have some other source
[11:16] of income when you decide to quit your
[11:18] full-time job
[11:19] and then you could have more time to
[11:21] work on your your fun thing but you'd
[11:23] have another secure income
[11:26] as well as a skill that would help you
[11:28] with whatever you want to do so if you
[11:31] learn copywriting it'll help you as a
[11:32] content creator if you learn how to
[11:34] build a website it will help you so
[11:35] these are skills that would be helpful
[11:37] for your personal brand and for me
[11:40] i started learning about marketing a lot
[11:42] and then i got into copywriting and
[11:44] understanding copywriting and persuasive
[11:46] writing and it it fascinated me a lot
[11:49] and marketing fascinates me so
[11:51] i think if i would have known about
[11:54] these types of careers when i was
[11:55] younger i might have studied marketing
[11:57] or maybe studied psychology or or
[11:59] therapy because i find it really
[12:01] interesting it just wasn't something
[12:02] that was presented to me when i was
[12:04] younger but i like helping people but
[12:06] the only jobs i knew of to help people
[12:08] were nurses and i didn't really want to
[12:10] be a nurse so
[12:11] i
[12:12] i think that
[12:14] the best way to do it is to to start to
[12:16] build those skills and then slowly try
[12:18] to find clients by doing work for free
[12:21] or going on
[12:23] websites like five or upwork and
[12:25] starting to just see if you can actually
[12:27] do the work and build up your portfolio
[12:29] so you can get to the place where you
[12:31] you start bringing in some money doing
[12:33] those kind of skills that you've built
[12:35] up and then you can slowly switch over
[12:37] to quitting your job and having another
[12:39] source of income and
[12:41] have the time to work on the thing that
[12:43] you really want and then you don't have
[12:44] to put the pressure on your writing or
[12:47] your content creation or your youtube
[12:48] videos to make you money and you can
[12:50] allow that to grow slowly and find
[12:53] your your true niche and what really
[12:55] brings you joy in it if you don't have
[12:56] to put pressure on
[12:58] that content creation to
[13:00] um to bring in your income
[13:04] as you were suggesting find free project
[13:07] and you found in
[13:09] marketing and then some other areas so
[13:11] how did you find those
[13:14] i
[13:15] did some some google search and was in
[13:18] different facebook groups where people
[13:20] would talk about where they were hiring
[13:23] people or looking for them um i found a
[13:25] place to to freelance as a writer and
[13:28] found places to apply online and so i
[13:30] just started applying and even without
[13:32] much of a portfolio just by
[13:35] probably my life experience and saying
[13:37] that i had worked at the government so
[13:38] people started to hire me for freelance
[13:40] writing and content writing and seo
[13:43] writing that um because i was already
[13:46] a a person that had a a job doing
[13:48] administrative work so they knew that i
[13:50] could write and i just did a couple of
[13:51] tests and that's kind of how i found
[13:53] clients when i was doing some freelance
[13:55] work
[13:56] how did you build your skills you said
[13:58] you you started learning for marketing
[14:00] and copywriting so what was the thing
[14:02] that you did
[14:04] i
[14:05] read a lot of books and just started
[14:08] doing the work so
[14:09] i
[14:11] i was doing more content writing at
[14:13] first and so with that i would
[14:16] i would look at other blogs or blog
[14:18] posts and um
[14:20] and then look at what the client wanted
[14:22] and uh sometimes rewrite things that for
[14:25] them to make it more
[14:27] flow better and
[14:28] but that was because of having read so
[14:30] much marketing books and copywriting to
[14:32] know
[14:33] how it should write like you know
[14:35] shorter sentences and that sort of thing
[14:36] especially for online writing and these
[14:38] are things i sort of picked up just over
[14:40] time of being online and seeing how
[14:43] things are done and that sentences
[14:45] although in my job at the house of
[14:47] commons the structure had to be very
[14:49] formal um i could see that online
[14:52] writing was more informal especially in
[14:54] north america and for selling and that
[14:55] sort of thing so i just sort of
[14:58] applied what i was seeing elsewhere in
[15:00] the writing that i was doing for clients
[15:03] and then you continue to grow and get
[15:05] more more and more projects yes yeah
[15:08] so do last question on this during this
[15:10] time
[15:11] what was keeping you motivated and
[15:13] continue to go
[15:15] how did you keep yourself
[15:18] motivated and consistent
[15:21] i just really didn't want to have to get
[15:23] full-time work again i really enjoyed
[15:26] being able to set my own pace i really
[15:28] liked that if i had to go pick up my
[15:30] daughter at school because she was sick
[15:32] that i could just get up and go i liked
[15:34] that if i had energy on a saturday that
[15:36] i could do my writing but if i was tired
[15:38] on a wednesday i could go do my
[15:40] groceries i liked that schedule so much
[15:43] that i was willing to do what it takes
[15:45] to find other clients and keep going and
[15:48] i also liked the work a lot but
[15:51] a few times i thought about going into
[15:52] the work full-time like looking for
[15:54] somewhere in my city that was hiring a
[15:56] full-time position
[15:58] but i just i really liked having the
[16:00] freedom of my schedule so i decided that
[16:02] i would rather keep
[16:04] that and also on
[16:05] in the back of my mind i wanted to do
[16:07] the aspirational things of starting a
[16:09] podcast or content writing or writing a
[16:12] book so i wanted to keep my freedom so
[16:15] that i could pursue those things but i
[16:17] just didn't pursue them for a long time
[16:22] just to confirm i i'm not aware that you
[16:24] have a podcast or youtube channel do you
[16:27] i'm just about to start a podcast but i
[16:29] don't have a youtube channel because
[16:30] i've been too scared to do video i have
[16:32] to edit and put on makeup every day so i
[16:34] don't have a youtube channel
[16:37] all i can say you're very comfortable in
[16:39] front of camera oh thank you
[16:41] so i've been doing this for uh six
[16:44] months now i can share each and every
[16:46] step of how i do and i can help you get
[16:50] started okay great
[16:53] how did you figure
[16:55] that
[16:56] the this is the segment of the people
[16:59] you want to help and this particular
[17:01] thing like imposter syndrome and how did
[17:03] you figure
[17:05] that's the the area where you will be
[17:08] working
[17:10] i
[17:12] i struggled for a long time to find my
[17:14] niche i
[17:15] started a year ago by joining shift 30
[17:18] for 30 um i was you did that yeah yeah i
[17:21] was looking at
[17:23] um
[17:24] i was gonna do a youtube channel and
[17:25] then i decided that was too much work
[17:27] and i was too scared and then i thought
[17:29] well i'll start with writing so i went
[17:31] on medium and started to look at other
[17:32] writers and i noticed that a lot of them
[17:34] were connected on twitter so i thought
[17:36] oh i guess writers hang out on twitter
[17:38] and i had a really old account but i
[17:39] barely used it i had 100 followers but
[17:41] they were from a decade ago so
[17:44] i just started going on twitter more and
[17:45] more and that's where i saw ship 30 for
[17:47] 30 so i decided to sign up in order to
[17:49] push me to start to have to put my ideas
[17:52] out there and i
[17:55] i had no idea what to write i did like
[17:57] the you know calculate what your content
[17:59] buckets are going to be and write out
[18:00] these ideas and i didn't really follow
[18:03] the ideas that i had set out that i
[18:04] thought i was going to do
[18:06] i
[18:07] went and just tried to decide every day
[18:10] what i would write so my first one was
[18:12] about quitting my job i wrote other ones
[18:15] about having harmony in your
[18:16] relationships i wrote about
[18:19] pursuing happiness and that it's not
[18:21] selfish i just kept trying different
[18:23] ideas all the time and i thought that at
[18:25] the end of the 30 days that i would know
[18:28] what my niche was and it would be clear
[18:30] and i wrote i even wrote about marketing
[18:32] and copywriting and i still
[18:34] didn't find something that i loved but i
[18:36] was enjoying twitter so much and i had
[18:38] made friends through people with ship 30
[18:40] for 30 and around that time had
[18:42] discovered twitter spaces and started
[18:43] hosting spaces
[18:45] that i decided to stay on twitter so i
[18:47] kept writing threads from time to time
[18:50] and
[18:52] just
[18:53] as i was writing and interacting with
[18:55] people i kept thinking that my niche
[18:57] would become clear even when i hosted
[18:59] spaces i thought it would be clear but
[19:01] now i realize that it takes a long time
[19:04] of creating content to really figure out
[19:07] what you like to talk about because
[19:09] although i had no idea what to talk
[19:10] about i just knew i wanted to just share
[19:12] ideas and inspire other people i know a
[19:14] lot of people that have had a really
[19:16] clear niche but then three months or six
[19:18] months or a year later realize they
[19:20] really want to talk about something else
[19:22] and so
[19:24] my niche of imposter syndrome kind of
[19:27] came up because i was uh somebody asked
[19:29] me if i want to be in a book writing
[19:31] challenge to write a book in 30 days and
[19:33] i didn't know what to talk about i had
[19:34] book ideas but nothing really inspired
[19:36] me so i finally decided to just talk
[19:38] about imposter syndrome and getting over
[19:40] it as a creator
[19:42] and so i drafted this book pretty
[19:44] quickly in august and
[19:48] then started being invited to talk about
[19:49] it on podcasts or on other twitter
[19:51] spaces and i realized a lot of people
[19:53] were interested in this subject and as
[19:55] i've continued in my content creation
[19:57] journey although i talk about imposter
[19:59] syndrome a lot on podcasts and i
[20:01] sometimes send tweets about it i also
[20:03] write a lot about
[20:05] how to create content and not burn out
[20:07] and encouraging new creators to get
[20:09] started and to get over their fears
[20:10] which also has to do with imposter
[20:12] syndrome but you know can be other areas
[20:14] of the fears and things that they're
[20:16] might feel stuck with so
[20:18] for me
[20:19] i think that just sharing a lot is kind
[20:21] of how you find your niche because
[20:23] there's things that i love like i love
[20:25] marketing but i don't talk about it on
[20:27] twitter and i could talk about all day
[20:29] with other marketers
[20:31] but i don't like sharing about it on
[20:33] twitter and i really love personality
[20:35] types and figuring people out but i
[20:38] don't talk about that on twitter either
[20:40] it just doesn't interest me to share it
[20:42] there and i don't know why but these
[20:44] other areas do and i find that that
[20:46] happens to a lot of people so really
[20:48] finding your niche should just be even
[20:50] if you have something in your mind just
[20:52] start sharing ideas and then see what
[20:54] what happens and if you really enjoy it
[20:56] because it might not be
[20:57] something that you like as much as you
[20:59] thought you did
[21:02] in my case
[21:03] i started writing as a hobby and i
[21:05] wanted to write about everything and
[21:07] anything
[21:08] um anything that i'm doing i want to
[21:11] share that but at the same time that's
[21:13] not helping me either because then i
[21:16] don't have a a clear audience in that
[21:20] sense so
[21:22] now
[21:23] for last one year i i'm i have narrowed
[21:27] down
[21:28] to
[21:29] um exactly the people who are i'm trying
[21:32] to help and in this case the people who
[21:34] just started their career or people who
[21:38] have been in the same job for like say
[21:40] four years five years and trying to see
[21:42] what the next thing that they want to do
[21:45] yeah so
[21:46] that's the that's the audience but every
[21:49] day i have to rethink
[21:52] um does this include entrepreneur or
[21:54] just the people in nine to five job does
[21:57] this include people in the leadership or
[22:00] just the people who are
[22:02] in at the
[22:04] mid-level
[22:05] happy for you that you know exactly what
[22:08] you like to write and who you're writing
[22:10] for
[22:12] yeah it's it's taken a long time to
[22:13] figure that out but
[22:15] um i think that
[22:17] just practicing and sharing different
[22:19] things makes thing
[22:22] it makes it more clear over time and for
[22:23] me it more became about who i was
[22:25] talking to and not necessarily what i
[22:28] was talking about so i know that i want
[22:30] to talk to creators that are struggling
[22:32] and so with that it just kind of always
[22:34] brings me back to okay this is what i
[22:36] talk about
[22:37] you you have a clarity about creators
[22:40] and imposter syndrome but the same
[22:43] imposter syndrome
[22:45] people who are in job
[22:47] or entrepreneur
[22:49] or you name it right video youtubers or
[22:54] different type of creative people they
[22:56] all have this how did you figure that
[22:57] just the creator not
[22:59] other type of people because everybody
[23:02] can get the benefit from this yeah you
[23:04] know it's funny because i've been on a
[23:06] couple of podcasts where they asked me
[23:07] about imposter syndrome in your career
[23:09] and imposter syndrome for younger people
[23:11] or imposter syndrome when you're older
[23:13] but
[23:14] i
[23:15] i guess i was thinking especially as i
[23:17] was writing the title of the book about
[23:19] you know the creator's guide to
[23:20] overcoming imposter syndrome i was just
[23:22] trying to make it really narrow so that
[23:24] i would have a very clear audience of
[23:25] who
[23:26] it would be for and then if it if other
[23:29] people find it useful they can read it
[23:31] and so i write it from the perspective
[23:33] of
[23:34] my imposter syndrome that i felt
[23:36] creating and being an older millennial
[23:38] mom that used to work for the government
[23:40] so my life's been pretty boring so who
[23:42] am i to be a content creator or share my
[23:44] ideas i
[23:45] who am i able to talk about imposter
[23:47] syndrome i don't have a phd or i'm not a
[23:50] psychologist or psychiatrist that knows
[23:51] about imposter syndrome so
[23:53] i just
[23:55] wanted to encourage other creators how
[23:57] they can get over it and it it affects a
[23:59] lot more people than
[24:01] i thought i thought it was just me or
[24:02] you know a small segment of people that
[24:04] are like me but it affects so many
[24:06] people
[24:08] i have
[24:09] handled and project managed such a big
[24:12] project for my full-time job
[24:15] i work at event health when we were
[24:17] changing the branding
[24:19] i was working with about 70 people
[24:24] and uh
[24:25] coordinating this big ship that would
[24:28] launch on 2nd of january
[24:31] and on that night i had 35 people in
[24:34] this big conference room and 35 uh five
[24:37] people on phone in the conference so i
[24:40] was coordinating with 70 people from 9
[24:43] 00 p.m to uh 4 a.m wow
[24:47] and then recently
[24:49] uh beginning the march i did this again
[24:52] about 50 people from my department and
[24:54] another 50 people from other departments
[24:57] so
[24:58] i have done that i have delivered such a
[25:01] massive project for my company my
[25:03] department my team
[25:06] but when i talk about
[25:10] a writing a writer for time management
[25:12] or project management or a video
[25:15] i feel like can i like there are so many
[25:17] great project managers there who am i
[25:24] so it's all it's everywhere we're there
[25:26] even
[25:28] [Music]
[25:29] yeah
[25:30] it just everywhere
[25:32] this impasto syndrome is everywhere yeah
[25:35] you're right
[25:38] um i want to touch on this ship 3430 if
[25:42] you're comfortable i wanted to to um
[25:45] ask you for
[25:46] a quick uh a few minute honest review on
[25:50] that
[25:51] if anybody's interested or
[25:54] if i want to do this what would be your
[25:56] opinion what would be your review or
[25:58] recommendation for the people who have
[26:00] not done it
[26:02] so for me ship 30 for 30 which is a
[26:05] program by dickie bush and nicholas cole
[26:07] it's
[26:08] really helpful if you're getting started
[26:10] online if you over edit if you write too
[26:13] long if you don't get engagement with
[26:14] your writing if you're struggling with
[26:16] headlines and how to write really well
[26:18] for the internet so that you get
[26:19] attention on your writing it's also a
[26:22] really great place to make friends and
[26:24] to get connections with people so you
[26:26] start to build your online audience and
[26:28] meet with other creators i find that
[26:30] it's super helpful for that
[26:32] and
[26:33] if you are an established writer if
[26:35] you're very comfortable in writing if
[26:37] you
[26:37] have
[26:38] a big community already online it might
[26:40] not be as helpful but you may like it in
[26:42] order to connect with some new people
[26:45] anyway um what i've
[26:48] noticed is that there are some people
[26:50] that have really established
[26:52] creative careers like established
[26:54] podcasters or youtubers or even writers
[26:57] in other areas but they enjoy ship 30
[26:59] for 30 to make new connections and kind
[27:01] of learn a different style of writing
[27:04] so
[27:05] for me it was really helpful especially
[27:06] as a beginner to help me get started to
[27:08] force me to do those 30 days but also
[27:11] the side benefits were
[27:13] building my twitter community very
[27:15] quickly because i was connecting with
[27:16] people i was meeting on the zoom calls
[27:18] and the other you know being in their
[27:20] their group in the circle channel that
[27:22] they have
[27:24] so i find that was really helpful for
[27:27] that and
[27:28] also the curriculum that they teach
[27:30] about how to write for online how to
[27:32] write good headlines and
[27:35] how to start to find your niche even
[27:37] though you don't often come away
[27:39] absolutely knowing your niche right away
[27:40] it gets you started thinking about how
[27:42] do you mix in your personality and the
[27:44] different things that you like to find
[27:45] that perfect niche for you so i think
[27:48] that the curriculum is really helpful in
[27:49] the community is only full of super
[27:51] supportive people i've never met anyone
[27:53] that's in the community that's a mean
[27:55] person or
[27:56] um judgmental or feels like they're
[27:59] better than you like everyone is super
[28:00] nice you know and and i've seen dave say
[28:04] there's ton of information just for free
[28:07] yeah they do and even if you follow them
[28:10] on twitter they both write amazing
[28:11] threads that share a lot of information
[28:13] about writing and about the skills that
[28:15] they've acquired
[28:17] since becoming online writers so they're
[28:19] they give away a lot of information for
[28:21] free for sure i want to make a comment
[28:24] you've been saying that it took me a
[28:25] long time to find a niche but
[28:29] [Music]
[28:30] you're talking about one and a half year
[28:32] right that's it
[28:33] um it took me like maybe five or six
[28:36] months and i i didn't feel like this was
[28:39] really my
[28:40] niche until maybe three months ago so
[28:42] even though i was kind of already
[28:43] writing about creators and about
[28:45] imposter syndrome and i had already
[28:47] written the book about it and have most
[28:49] of it done
[28:50] i still wasn't sure if that was my niche
[28:52] i still felt uncomfortable and is this
[28:54] really what i want to talk about so it's
[28:57] maybe in february of this year which
[28:59] would make it like about 11 months since
[29:01] i started creating that i was like all
[29:02] right i think this is my niche this is
[29:04] what i enjoy talking about i was already
[29:07] on podcast interviews and youtube live
[29:09] and i've done some different talks like
[29:12] that and i still didn't feel like it was
[29:14] my niche but people kept asking me to
[29:15] talk about things so i just kept talking
[29:17] about them but now i feel like okay this
[29:20] is my niche
[29:22] yeah so that's a very quick time frame
[29:25] i've been riding for three years
[29:28] i was still struggling
[29:32] you'll get there maybe you're just
[29:34] more general or you have this this one
[29:36] about you know talking to the uh
[29:38] the uh people that want to do a life
[29:40] change in their work so that's a really
[29:41] good niche
[29:43] i think the thing with me is uh
[29:46] i
[29:47] i'm too afraid to lose the
[29:51] other opportunities so i never married
[29:53] to one idea
[29:55] uh but i think i i'm realizing that to
[29:58] to get better and and go ahead in
[30:02] work that i'm trying to do
[30:04] i have to dedicate my
[30:06] uh next few years next
[30:09] or life
[30:10] to one idea because
[30:12] i can't do all the ideas
[30:14] so
[30:16] i think that's my struggle
[30:18] yeah
[30:19] yeah i think maybe that was what
[30:21] made me hesitate as well was was
[30:23] thinking like i'd be stuck in this niche
[30:25] is this really what i want to do
[30:27] but i just i enjoy talking about it and
[30:29] i haven't gotten tired of it and i think
[30:30] that's what showed me it was my niche is
[30:32] that people ask me different aspects
[30:34] like about imposter syndrome about how
[30:36] to send twitter dms how to connect with
[30:38] people how to build a community how to
[30:41] not burn out and
[30:42] um and different things like that i
[30:44] could just always find things to talk
[30:46] about
[30:47] and i didn't really realize that until i
[30:49] was invited uh to to share on a podcast
[30:52] or a twitter space about those sorts of
[30:55] things thinking that i'll have nothing
[30:57] to say i'll just talk for a few minutes
[30:58] and
[30:59] i'll have nothing else to say about it
[31:00] but then realize i could go on and on
[31:02] and on about these things so then i
[31:04] realized well
[31:05] i guess i could talk about this and
[31:09] there's enough aspects to it that it
[31:10] keeps me interested that it's never
[31:12] boring so there's that i don't want to
[31:14] be bored
[31:16] this is what we will do
[31:18] we will do a second episode just on
[31:22] imposter syndrome
[31:24] yeah sure
[31:25] that can help a lot of people
[31:28] yeah especially when it comes to your
[31:30] career and and trying something new like
[31:32] it's it's very intimidating to step out
[31:34] from what you've been doing to do
[31:35] something new
[31:38] all right so now i wanted to ask you
[31:41] what your typical day looked like
[31:45] uh so
[31:46] right now my days aren't super typical
[31:49] they they're always up and down
[31:51] i have a business with my husband where
[31:53] we do online marketing so i'm busy with
[31:55] that so in between i do some work with
[31:57] him
[31:58] and then i have twitter spaces that i
[32:01] host a couple of times a week so then
[32:03] i'll often stop and then go and host the
[32:05] twitter spaces sometimes i have
[32:07] interviews like this so then that will
[32:09] be something that happens in my day and
[32:12] then i go back to my computer to
[32:14] work on
[32:15] the copy that i have to write or answer
[32:17] customer service questions
[32:19] then i also have a community group that
[32:22] i run in discord and so once or twice a
[32:24] month we meet on zoom calls so then
[32:27] i set up those calls and and talk with
[32:29] the
[32:30] people in that group about setting their
[32:31] goals and staying accountable
[32:34] so
[32:35] right now my days are up and down but
[32:38] something that stays consistent is that
[32:40] i i always check in on twitter
[32:42] i engage with comments i reply to people
[32:45] in dms i create content for twitter and
[32:48] that is part of my routine every day
[32:50] usually i do most of the catching up in
[32:52] the evening after supper for um 30
[32:56] minutes or an hour it depends how much i
[32:58] have to do and uh
[33:00] otherwise i
[33:02] my days up and down with with doing the
[33:04] spaces or being a guest in a space or a
[33:06] guest on a podcast but then also doing
[33:08] the business stuff that i have to do
[33:10] so it's not super typical
[33:14] uh are you an early riser or um
[33:17] late nighter
[33:19] i am like in between and it's really
[33:22] weird because i'm not an early bird and
[33:24] i'm not a night owl either i
[33:28] i don't like to go to bed super early
[33:29] but i don't go to bed super late and i
[33:31] don't usually have a lot of energy like
[33:32] after eight or nine pm my husband gets a
[33:35] lot of energy so he can work like for
[33:37] another three hours till midnight or one
[33:39] in the morning and he gets so much work
[33:40] done but i could be awake but i'm
[33:42] drained so my brain just doesn't
[33:44] function so it's it's not worth me
[33:46] trying to work because i can't think
[33:47] anymore but also i don't wake up at five
[33:50] in the morning and do a lot of work i
[33:53] like to get up like around seven or
[33:54] eight and then start my day a little bit
[33:57] later so i i've always found most of my
[33:59] energy is like between 11am and 2pm
[34:02] which is annoying because it would be
[34:04] nice if it was other times but that's
[34:06] when i have the most energy so that's
[34:08] why i set my twitter spaces to be at
[34:10] 11am because i have energy at that time
[34:14] browsing in twitter or browsing in some
[34:16] other
[34:17] internet it's very time consuming how do
[34:19] you control that most of the time now
[34:22] i'm so busy
[34:24] engaging in comments or replying to dms
[34:26] that i don't get stuck in the browsing
[34:27] side usually it's when i need to take a
[34:29] break because i'm tired of interacting
[34:32] or i'm just drained so i'll browse or
[34:35] i'll also browse in twitter in order to
[34:37] engage with others to to um to keep that
[34:40] engagement up as well so i'm not just
[34:41] engaging on my own content and when i
[34:45] just need to browse and not think about
[34:46] something and just unwind i'll usually
[34:48] go to instagram or something where i'm
[34:50] not creating content so that i can just
[34:52] just look at what my friends are doing
[34:54] or different content so that i
[34:56] can relax but most of the time i find
[34:59] now i'm not usually sucked into
[35:01] browsing because i'll be intentional on
[35:03] creating and that just kind of
[35:05] takes up a lot of my time and
[35:08] my commitment of building my online
[35:10] presence is
[35:11] engaging with others and keeping the
[35:13] content that i built and engagement that
[35:15] i've got to keep it going
[35:17] what's your advice on
[35:21] people who are wasting too much time
[35:22] like me
[35:24] are you creating content consistently on
[35:26] twitter twitter i mostly browse um
[35:29] medium or uh
[35:31] nowadays just video i'm focusing more on
[35:34] the youtube right now yeah well you know
[35:38] if you find that
[35:40] you know the the time you're spent
[35:41] editing and uploading and doing the seo
[35:43] and the proper headline writing for
[35:45] youtube it's probably pretty draining so
[35:48] you probably need the time on twitter
[35:49] just to recover and just relax so
[35:52] i don't feel guilty about it when i do
[35:54] that on instagram and i don't feel
[35:56] guilty the nights that i watch netflix
[35:58] and relax i i like to work hard and i
[36:01] like having goals but also i i like
[36:04] seeing
[36:05] what do i feel like i should do for me
[36:07] instead of all the years that i spent
[36:09] feeling guilty if i needed to rest or
[36:11] if i needed a day off or i used to feel
[36:13] really guilty about it now i've decided
[36:15] especially since having a burnout at
[36:17] work that i never want to go through
[36:19] that again and so i listen to myself and
[36:22] when i get into modes where i feel like
[36:24] i'm wasting too much time it's usually
[36:26] because the thing that i'm creating or
[36:28] working on doesn't excite me as much and
[36:30] so i try to find
[36:31] something that excites me in order to
[36:33] work on it and just have a creative
[36:35] outlet so i'm not killing time
[36:39] so not much advice
[36:42] well
[36:43] good timing to jump into what's your
[36:46] time management method
[36:48] so my time management method is
[36:52] i have
[36:53] deadlines on things but i try to keep it
[36:55] more flexible because i'm the kind of
[36:57] person that when i have really strict
[37:00] deadlines i feel really guilty about not
[37:02] meeting them and it makes me feel
[37:04] this kind of stress inside even if it's
[37:06] a deadline that i put on myself so
[37:08] when i put this
[37:10] deadline of having to do something
[37:12] unless it's something that i really have
[37:13] to do then it could stress me out and so
[37:16] i try to keep it a bit more free-flowing
[37:18] like i have a to-do list and i follow
[37:21] that but
[37:22] i
[37:23] i don't like that feeling of of
[37:26] stress that i put on myself when i have
[37:28] too much of a strict schedule but
[37:31] i have things that have a hard
[37:33] deadline like when i have to show up at
[37:34] a twitter space or for an interview like
[37:36] with you or if i have a call
[37:38] then i have obviously a time that i have
[37:40] to be there so
[37:42] i
[37:43] make sure that i have that and i i
[37:45] pay attention to it and i
[37:47] make sure that i show up on twitter and
[37:49] i engage
[37:51] and then for my work i have to do lists
[37:54] that i follow and just
[37:55] check in and make sure that i'm getting
[37:57] stuff done but
[38:00] a lot of work we
[38:02] unless you've really mapped out how you
[38:04] work most people underestimate the
[38:05] amount of time something takes and so
[38:07] you say i'll get this done by the end of
[38:08] the day but you could be interrupted by
[38:10] so many things
[38:11] that it just it stresses me out too much
[38:13] to have a super strict time management
[38:15] so you would think that would be bad at
[38:17] events but i was very good at
[38:18] coordinating events i just knew like
[38:20] okay by this date i have to talk to this
[38:22] person and by this day i have to have
[38:23] this room booked but i had it free
[38:26] flowing so i had to do it within a week
[38:28] so if other things came up i could meet
[38:30] the deadline that week of this thing i
[38:32] have to have done but it wasn't as
[38:34] strict as it has to be at this certain
[38:36] time or else
[38:37] it would usually get missed and then i
[38:39] would just feel bad about it and then i
[38:40] would just ruin other projects that i
[38:42] had to do
[38:44] okay
[38:45] how do you identify your big goals
[38:50] i
[38:52] i sometimes get swayed with my big goals
[38:54] based on what other people think i
[38:56] should do so some people thought that i
[38:59] should have a of a newsletter in october
[39:01] when i had 3 000 followers and i should
[39:03] start building building an email list
[39:05] but i knew that i didn't have the time
[39:08] and the energy to devote to it i was
[39:10] really focusing on building my twitter
[39:12] community and and finding my voice still
[39:14] and getting used to writing more on
[39:16] twitter so i didn't start a newsletter
[39:18] and then in february i felt like it was
[39:21] time to start the newsletter and i don't
[39:23] know why i felt that way i just did so i
[39:25] decided to start doing a newsletter and
[39:28] so
[39:28] for me i really try to pay attention to
[39:31] how i feel and and thinking about what
[39:34] do i really want because especially now
[39:36] with where i am in my
[39:38] content creation journey i could start
[39:41] coaching more i could have a course i
[39:44] could do a cohort based course i could
[39:46] start a youtube channel i could start a
[39:47] podcast i could finish my book and so i
[39:51] really have to tap into what do i really
[39:53] want like if i was to look back on my
[39:55] life in five years what do i want to be
[39:58] at in order to decide what are things i
[40:01] should be focusing on right now
[40:03] once you identify what's your new big
[40:06] goals are how do you execute them so i
[40:09] work backwards from what i want to do so
[40:13] when i was creating content last year
[40:15] and starting on twitter and doing shift
[40:16] 30 for 30 i knew that i wanted to
[40:21] um to share the
[40:24] share ideas and figure things out
[40:26] and start to inspire people but i didn't
[40:28] really know what my niche was but i knew
[40:30] that eventually i wanted to have a
[40:33] a podcast or a youtube channel or
[40:34] something and so i found twitter spaces
[40:36] and even though i didn't have a
[40:38] huge goal yet of what i want to talk
[40:40] about or where i want to end up
[40:42] i decided to start using twitter spaces
[40:43] to become a better speaker and just
[40:46] learn to moderate and facilitate better
[40:48] and build those skills because i would
[40:50] like to
[40:51] run workshops or
[40:53] help people with things or you know
[40:55] speak on podcasts like this or have my
[40:57] own podcast or be a public speaker so i
[40:59] decided to just use that to keep
[41:01] building my skills
[41:03] at this point i've posted or co-hosted
[41:06] almost 150 twitter spaces i've been in
[41:09] more than that where i've spoken or been
[41:11] a guest in them but i
[41:14] i i know now that this really helped to
[41:16] refine my message to refine my story
[41:19] it's helped me to speak more clearly
[41:21] and also improve my twitter presence by
[41:24] showing that i'm a person that leads
[41:26] twitter spaces and now what i do with
[41:27] twitter space i often will have people
[41:29] that will come to them because they know
[41:30] that i host twitter spaces a lot
[41:33] so
[41:34] i use that that the goal of wanting to
[41:37] be a speaker or a podcaster or something
[41:39] how will i get there and build those
[41:41] skills i could have just recorded myself
[41:43] alone but i felt like this
[41:45] this was like
[41:46] hitting more more birds with one stone
[41:49] of building an audience practicing in
[41:51] public and speaking about these things
[41:54] and getting immediate feedback from
[41:55] people right so that when i would do the
[41:58] next step of having a podcast or a
[42:00] youtube channel or releasing a book or
[42:02] starting a course that i would have
[42:04] people that already know like and trust
[42:06] me because of the time that i've spent
[42:08] in spaces and building my audience
[42:12] how do you decide what to put every
[42:14] every time you create a newsletter i i
[42:16] tried three times i started three time
[42:18] and then
[42:19] next month it's
[42:21] didn't go
[42:23] i have a really
[42:24] hard time like almost every week it's
[42:26] been i think i've done eight issues now
[42:29] and i skipped one week so i was really
[42:31] tired but otherwise i've done it every
[42:32] week and
[42:34] i have a hard time coming up with
[42:35] content but in one of the first ones i
[42:37] asked for ideas and then i kept putting
[42:39] that at the end of my you know ps if you
[42:41] have ideas for me so i have like a bank
[42:44] of maybe five or ten ideas that people
[42:46] said oh i'd like to hear about this or
[42:47] how you do that so i have those
[42:49] ideas on the side that i could use
[42:52] but what i've been doing lately is
[42:55] either thinking about something i'm
[42:56] thinking about right now so
[42:58] i was thinking a couple weeks ago oh
[43:01] it's so strange that people are asking
[43:02] me to talk about these topics and i
[43:04] didn't tell anyone that i'm an expert in
[43:06] this
[43:08] i didn't tell anyone i'm an expert in
[43:10] in twitter dms i did write a newsletter
[43:14] that episode edition about it about
[43:16] twitter dms and posted a twitter space
[43:19] talking about it but i don't go around
[43:20] saying i'm a twitter dm expert but then
[43:23] somebody asked me to be a guest to talk
[43:24] about connecting and twitter dms and
[43:27] there's several things like that that
[43:28] i'm an expert in or an expert that
[43:31] people have invited me to talk about
[43:33] so it i was thinking about that that's
[43:35] weird that i'm not saying it but people
[43:37] are asking me so then i made my issue
[43:39] about that about like i'm an expert and
[43:42] i didn't have to tell anyone but i just
[43:43] started doing things and people noticed
[43:46] and other times when i was stuck with
[43:48] what should i write about i just looked
[43:50] at
[43:51] my tweets and just saw one that did well
[43:53] or one that
[43:55] i could expand an idea upon
[43:57] um so i talked about it last week about
[44:01] finding your north store star just
[44:03] remembering your why and why you're
[44:04] doing this and it was kind of on my mind
[44:07] and i think i'd written a tweet that was
[44:08] similar and so just i just look at that
[44:11] and just think oh what can i write more
[44:13] about and then just start and see what
[44:14] happens and
[44:16] and then i end up with some content and
[44:18] i don't like to make my newsletter super
[44:20] long like i have friends that write
[44:22] really long in-depth newsletters but i
[44:24] just find
[44:25] for me as a consumer i don't like to
[44:28] read that much and then also it makes it
[44:31] easier as a creator to
[44:33] to write less and
[44:36] and then it's not as much pressure like
[44:37] just keep it really practical and simple
[44:40] and i just do 500 to 800 words sometimes
[44:43] it'll be a thousand words but i try to
[44:45] keep it a little bit shorter so that
[44:46] it's easy to read through and just give
[44:48] some practical advice
[44:52] so practical
[44:54] so effective
[44:56] um
[44:58] is there a question that i have not
[45:00] asked but you want to answer
[45:03] now you've you've done pretty well
[45:05] you've asked lots of questions
[45:08] is that a question for me
[45:11] um what is the name of your podcast i
[45:13] don't think that i know what it is
[45:14] called or your youtube channel or
[45:16] whatever it is uh the channel name is
[45:18] vino sharma
[45:20] and then the podcast name is career
[45:22] journey podcast oh okay perfect
[45:28] last question what is your message to
[45:30] the audience
[45:33] my message is that
[45:35] if there's something that you really
[45:37] want to do
[45:38] and you've been hesitating because of
[45:39] imposter syndrome or self-judgment or
[45:42] perfectionism or
[45:44] whatever it is you should just start
[45:46] doing it because those feelings don't go
[45:49] away on their own i waited for four
[45:51] years for my impostor syndrome and my
[45:53] fears and perfectionism to go away i
[45:56] waited for my niche to become clear and
[45:58] i thought oh when my niche is clear then
[46:00] i'll know what to do but really if i
[46:02] would have started four years ago and
[46:03] started creating content and figuring
[46:05] things out as i go i would be way ahead
[46:07] of where i am now and i know that the
[46:10] skills that i picked up in the last four
[46:12] years from reading about marketing and
[46:14] learning copywriting and observing
[46:16] people online of how do they do this i
[46:18] know that it's helped me now to grow
[46:21] faster this past year than maybe if i
[46:22] knew nothing at all
[46:24] but
[46:25] i could have started
[46:27] five years ago at this point when i knew
[46:29] that that's something i wanted to do i
[46:30] could have started sharing things and
[46:33] so my message is to just start and
[46:36] figure it out and set really small goals
[46:39] so that you don't burn out doing it
[46:41] because it's really hard to learn how to
[46:43] be a content creator because even though
[46:45] we
[46:46] we especially if you have a normal job
[46:48] you probably speak to people every day
[46:50] you write emails so you know how to
[46:52] write you know how to interact with
[46:53] people maybe you've given presentations
[46:55] at work but when you go and do that
[46:57] online and you start sharing your own
[46:59] observations or your own ideas and your
[47:02] own interpretations of things it's
[47:04] really intimidating to
[47:06] to share that perspective and
[47:09] feel like you that imposter syndrome
[47:11] like who am i to talk about this is this
[47:13] the right way to say it it takes a long
[47:15] time to start to feel comfortable and to
[47:16] figure out your voice and what you want
[47:18] to talk about
[47:19] but you're not going to get there if you
[47:21] don't just start sharing stuff and so my
[47:23] main message is to just start and take
[47:26] do a little bit every day and figure out
[47:28] what do you like talking about and also
[47:31] what's the medium that you like talking
[47:32] about it some people hate doing tweets
[47:34] but they like the long form of medium
[47:36] some people like podcasts some people
[47:38] like youtube videos and sometimes you
[47:40] start those things but realize you don't
[47:42] love it so some people start tweeting
[47:45] and realize they don't love it but maybe
[47:46] they like youtube videos so i think it's
[47:48] really important to test out a lot of
[47:50] things but do it long enough that you
[47:52] kind of push past those fears and you
[47:55] figure out if you're
[47:57] uncomfortable because it's new and you
[47:59] don't really know it and you're not used
[48:01] to your voice or is it uncomfortable
[48:02] because you really don't like that way
[48:04] of expressing yourself and so you can't
[48:06] find that out after one or two times
[48:08] which i think happens to a lot of people
[48:10] that they'll host one twitter space and
[48:12] because it felt uncomfortable they'll
[48:14] think they never want to do it again but
[48:16] really if they do like five or ten and
[48:18] then decide okay i really don't like
[48:20] twitter spaces or clubhouse or whatever
[48:22] audio um they choose then then you can
[48:26] really know if is it just because yeah i
[48:28] don't like hosting and talking in these
[48:30] spaces but i like contributing in them
[48:32] or i like sharing ideas but i'd rather
[48:34] do a podcast so i don't have an audience
[48:36] right in front of me so you have to give
[48:37] yourself a chance to push through it and
[48:40] figure out if you're uncomfortable
[48:41] because it's new or uncomfortable
[48:43] because it's something you really don't
[48:44] want to do
[48:47] thank you it was
[48:49] great uh to echo what you just said i
[48:52] posted something on
[48:53] linkedin today
[48:55] and
[48:56] uh one of the line there was the most
[48:59] powerful motivation tool for writers
[49:02] is the publish button
[49:04] [Music]
[49:05] yeah that's true
[49:09] thank you so much samantha this was a
[49:12] fun conversation i loved every minute of
[49:14] it thank you so much it's been so nice
[49:17] thanks for inviting me