Technical Solutions Developer at Google Shares his Professional Journey in the Tech Industry

[0:00] hello welcome and Namaste today our
[0:03] guest is bios Bai bios B work in uh
[0:07] Google for last two years he lives in
[0:10] Canada he's working in Google as a
[0:13] technical solution developer and take
[0:16] care of
[0:17] cloud um and anything related to Cloud
[0:21] for their customer uh P by and I know
[0:24] for almost a year now through Twitter
[0:28] and on the side P has a YouTube channel
[0:33] where he teach about anything in
[0:37] technology how you can build your career
[0:41] he talk about General topic as well as
[0:44] go deep dive into cloud and currently
[0:48] he's doing a series on azer so you have
[0:51] if you have not checked his YouTube
[0:53] channel it's a must he has about
[0:56] 18,500 subscriber as of today
[1:00] and everything that he shares is all
[1:02] free for you to consume so with that
[1:06] first thank you so much for to come on
[1:09] my podcast and also to do everything
[1:13] that you're doing for the community and
[1:16] helping uh all the developers build
[1:19] their career with that I wanted to hand
[1:22] over M to you to ask you what is your
[1:26] role at Google and how is your typical
[1:29] day and week look like first of all
[1:32] thank you so much vinod G for inviting
[1:34] me to this podcast and giving me this
[1:36] wonderful opportunity to share My Views
[1:39] with the audience and I'm really over of
[1:42] like a person like you inviting me and
[1:44] giving me this opportunity so thank you
[1:47] thank you so much to start with my
[1:49] current role at Google so I am working
[1:52] as a Technical Solutions developer at
[1:54] Google where I help Google Cloud
[1:56] customer in building their Technical
[1:58] Solutions helping any issues they have
[2:01] related to their Cloud implementation
[2:03] you know if we talk about specific
[2:05] services that I work on or that I have
[2:07] expertise with it would be Google
[2:10] kubernetes engine gke and anthos and
[2:14] that's my primary specialization and my
[2:15] secondary specialization is devops tools
[2:18] Cloud build Cloud deploy anything
[2:20] related to Cloud plus observability like
[2:23] Cloud logging Cloud monitoring alerting
[2:25] and so on so these are the services that
[2:28] I mostly work with and I help as I said
[2:31] I help Google Cloud customers in in
[2:34] solving their issues in helping them out
[2:36] if they are stuck somewhere and then
[2:38] basically showing them a path how they
[2:41] can make better utilization of cloud so
[2:45] that's what I do thank you and how is
[2:48] the typical day or a week look like yeah
[2:52] so they starts with like anyone else
[2:56] does in their role like first they go
[2:58] log in and they check their emails and
[3:00] reply the previous emails and so on then
[3:02] my day starts with I'm in a queue where
[3:06] wherever there is a new incident raised
[3:08] I am one of those person who get that
[3:11] incident assigned to irrespective of the
[3:13] customer irrespective of the customer
[3:15] reputation or how big the customer is it
[3:18] could be a P1 P2 P3 P4 so I get assigned
[3:21] to that incident and I'll start working
[3:23] on it so if required if that is a P1 or
[3:27] if it is a high priority issue I offer
[3:28] them a call I go on the issue with them
[3:31] like what exactly is it that you are
[3:33] facing I capture all the details like
[3:35] all the required logs their project
[3:37] details their cluster details and
[3:39] whatever it is there for me to ask so I
[3:42] get all the questions answered and then
[3:44] I start working on it because I would
[3:46] have some level of access in customers
[3:48] environment the readon access so I would
[3:51] have all the access to troubleshoot the
[3:53] issue so I take some time and I start
[3:56] working on it and then I communicate
[3:58] back to the customer if I have more
[3:59] questions or if I have a solution a work
[4:02] around on mitigation steps and so on so
[4:05] that's what I do on uh daily basis but
[4:08] in Google we have a concept of you know
[4:11] 20% role so when you work on a project
[4:15] so that is your 80% and optionally you
[4:18] can dedicate 20% of your time to
[4:20] something that you love something that
[4:22] you want to participate in something
[4:24] that you volunteer for it so those 20%
[4:27] project are mostly short-term projects
[4:29] and we can keep switching from one
[4:31] project to another and so I have done a
[4:34] lot of 20% projects such as I created a
[4:36] YouTube video for Google Cloud official
[4:38] Channel it was on anthos GKN and anthos
[4:42] it was a short video like five six
[4:46] minute video but because it is very
[4:49] structured you interact with Google
[4:51] cloud and YouTube's official team so it
[4:54] has a very rigorous process of review
[4:57] like it has technical review editorial
[4:59] review and lots of other reviews so it
[5:01] took me months to publish that 5 minute
[5:03] video Even though I had the background
[5:06] of recording and Publishing everything
[5:08] on my YouTube channel and usually it
[5:11] takes me three to four days to publish a
[5:13] 1 hour video like start from research
[5:16] recording editing everything if I do
[5:17] everything on my own but that five
[5:20] minute video took me months because of
[5:22] the process that they have implemented
[5:24] and I I learned a lot of things in that
[5:27] Journey how a professional video should
[5:29] look look like that was really a
[5:31] learning for me the other there are some
[5:33] other projects that I'm working on and I
[5:36] am part of also a deil project where I
[5:39] help Google Cloud customers that are
[5:41] startups or that are planning to move
[5:43] into Google Cloud so it's mostly related
[5:46] to organizing events with them giving
[5:48] them Hands-On workshop and a few other
[5:50] things so these are a few other
[5:53] responsibilities apart from that I do
[5:56] participate time to time in updating
[5:58] documentation on official Google website
[6:02] or Internal
[6:04] Documentation and anything that could
[6:06] add some value to the internal team as
[6:09] well as the outside Community whoever is
[6:12] accessing Google cloud or Google in
[6:14] general those are the few main things
[6:16] and we usually focus on these things as
[6:19] part of our day-to-day life but we do
[6:21] have different opportunities to
[6:23] participate in some let's say let's say
[6:26] I have a phone Google pixel 7 Pro it I I
[6:29] got it when it was not even released
[6:31] because I was part of one of the beta
[6:33] testing team I I was using it a year ago
[6:37] before it was launched and then
[6:38] reporting all the bugs all the feature
[6:40] request that it should have back to the
[6:43] developer teams and providing them logs
[6:45] and details that they want all in all it
[6:48] is a a power pack day that we have and
[6:52] even though if mostly what happens is
[6:55] when you work on something usually you
[6:57] don't like it but then with Google it's
[7:00] not the case because you will have so
[7:01] many opportunities to participate in
[7:04] another or participate in other ongoing
[7:07] initiatives and you could give your best
[7:10] in that without worrying about that you
[7:14] don't like it or if you don't want to do
[7:17] it for the future so yeah that's mainly
[7:20] what I do that's amazing there are so
[7:24] many things that people were desperate
[7:27] to get into that kind of situation
[7:30] especially access to different people at
[7:33] Google whether it is YouTube or cloud or
[7:36] devop how does it feel like I'm I'm sure
[7:40] you feel so empowered that you can just
[7:42] reach out to different people there and
[7:45] ask any question correct people are so
[7:49] helpful like I'm not bragging something
[7:52] but it is something that I have felt in
[7:54] my entire career of 12 plus years I have
[7:56] never worked with a company where people
[7:58] are offering help without even asking so
[8:01] I am lucky to be part of one such team
[8:04] everyone is there to help you out
[8:06] whether you ask it or not if someone
[8:08] feels like you need help or you might
[8:10] need help in the future they will reach
[8:11] out to you and they will just say hey
[8:13] let me know if you need any help or we
[8:15] can get into the call and we can try to
[8:17] sort this out together so it it feels uh
[8:21] really great it's an amazing experience
[8:23] and not just within my team if I reach
[8:25] out to any other team let's say I have
[8:27] some doubt to any of the AI tools that
[8:30] are there we have gini which was a
[8:33] rebranded version of b or any other team
[8:35] if I have some specific question they
[8:37] would definitely help me out if that is
[8:39] not something confidential or something
[8:41] that they shouldn't share they will
[8:42] definitely help me out with that it's
[8:45] really a great experience yeah and you
[8:48] had your YouTube channel prior to
[8:50] joining Google right correct as now in
[8:54] Google and you have access to all
[8:55] different people I'm assuming YouTube
[8:58] people as well so
[9:00] did you was that or how do I ask
[9:05] this having access to them did that help
[9:09] in your YouTube no because Google has a
[9:12] strict policy of what information we can
[9:15] share on word information is accessible
[9:17] even to Google employees M so if I were
[9:20] part of YouTube like the YouTube product
[9:23] team in any way possible then I wouldn't
[9:26] be even having my YouTube channel so
[9:28] there is a strict policy for that and I
[9:30] cannot access any resource that could
[9:33] help me grow my Channel or that could
[9:35] help me unethically so those are
[9:39] information is restricted to YouTube
[9:41] Team itself and as I said I wouldn't be
[9:44] even running my YouTube channel if I
[9:46] were part of YouTube product team or any
[9:48] other team associated with YouTube so
[9:51] you spend a lot of time in creating
[9:52] those videos you said three to four days
[9:55] just to make one hour video even though
[9:58] you have a video video editor right I I
[10:00] know you have a video editor so that
[10:03] three to four days is not including the
[10:06] time it takes to edit the video so I
[10:08] recently hir the video editor I was
[10:11] doing it by myself till now okay and
[10:15] sometimes if I'm recording something and
[10:17] I'm publishing two three videos per week
[10:20] like last week I published two videos
[10:22] and my video editor was on leave at that
[10:24] time so I edited both the videos myself
[10:28] because I don't want to delay the
[10:29] publishing process people are expecting
[10:31] me to publish the video so you know I
[10:34] cannot keep them waiting so that's why I
[10:37] do it myself Whenever there is a need or
[10:39] whenever my video editor is overwhelmed
[10:42] with a lot of other pending backlog
[10:44] videos so yeah that's what I mean and
[10:46] three to four days I was not saying like
[10:48] 3 to four days of 1 hour or two hour per
[10:51] days I'm saying like 6 seven hours per
[10:54] day and doing that for 3 to 4 days wow
[10:59] in a 1 hour video first I do a research
[11:02] rigorous research on that I do the
[11:04] Hands-On by myself and it takes me
[11:07] around 6 to 7 hours or even more than
[11:09] that sometimes and then I record it and
[11:14] while recording it I face some issues
[11:15] that I did not face earlier so I had to
[11:18] fix those issues while I'm recording and
[11:21] then I give it back to my editor or if I
[11:24] do myself if I'm publishing a video of 1
[11:26] hour and it would be like more than 1.5
[11:29] or something then he has to make all the
[11:32] cuts he has to make all the corrections
[11:34] in that and then we are ready to publish
[11:37] it but for publishing sometimes there is
[11:39] a GitHub repository associated with that
[11:41] so I have to maintain that as well
[11:44] sometimes we create blogs out of it so
[11:48] there are lot of other things as well
[11:49] that goes post publishing as well so
[11:52] yeah it is a lot of effort and you might
[11:54] know it you've been doing it for a long
[11:56] time so yes it is definitely something
[12:00] yes I know and then initially I spend
[12:03] more time like up to a week just editing
[12:08] my podcast video and initially I did not
[12:11] even like my voice so it was crazy so my
[12:15] question to you where does that energy
[12:17] come from what drives you to do all
[12:20] these YouTube
[12:22] videos so what drives me is first of all
[12:25] I like doing what I'm doing I really
[12:27] passionate about because after a long
[12:29] time when I started the YouTube channel
[12:32] after a really long time I found
[12:34] something that I love doing and when I
[12:38] started doing it and I was constantly
[12:40] doing it I was getting these amazing
[12:42] messages from the community like you
[12:45] videos are so helpful thank you for
[12:46] doing this and I have got a job by
[12:49] following this video or it helped me get
[12:51] the role transition it helped me get the
[12:54] promotion so these I saw one comment
[12:57] today when I was researching yesterday
[12:59] or today that somebody said oh finally
[13:02] the aers series for video number 13 is
[13:05] here and he was so excited that now he
[13:08] can watch it and it's a 16 video series
[13:11] right and he was I guess 14 14 has been
[13:14] published to to our yeah so he was he
[13:17] made a comment that oh thank God the
[13:19] series is there 14th video is here and
[13:22] then he was all excited to go ahead and
[13:24] try because when I started this series
[13:26] there were not a lot of content around
[13:29] Azure devops Azure devops it is a fairly
[13:32] new tool when we compare it with other
[13:34] cicd tools like Jenkins or anything else
[13:37] so Azure devops came into existence in
[13:39] around 2019 somewhere so there is not a
[13:43] lot of material and the labs on Azure
[13:46] website it's outdated so people finding
[13:49] a lot of difficulty in learning Azure
[13:51] devops I heard that they're CH Microsoft
[13:53] is planning to decommission that and use
[13:56] GitHub more I don't know if that's true
[13:58] or not hasn't happened till now so a lot
[14:01] of people are still using it and still
[14:03] migrating to Azure devops so we don't
[14:05] know what's their plan until it actually
[14:08] happens they could either merge both of
[14:10] these tools together but it's one and
[14:12] the same thing because GitHub action
[14:14] also is a yaml based tool Azure devops
[14:16] is a yaml based tool so it's one and the
[14:18] same thing moreover but so that's when I
[14:22] started it because people were finding a
[14:24] lot of difficulty in learning and
[14:26] understanding this particular tool so I
[14:28] thought maybe I I should put something
[14:30] out that is available free of cost and
[14:32] that could help a lot of people so that
[14:35] was the intention behind this mind and
[14:37] I'm so happy that I'm so glad that
[14:39] people are waiting for each and every
[14:41] video if I don't publish a video a week
[14:43] let's say I I was traveling from India
[14:45] to Canada right during that couple of
[14:47] weeks I did not publish anything because
[14:49] there were too many things to take care
[14:51] of while traveling and people were
[14:54] messaging me over LinkedIn over Discord
[14:57] Twitter everywhere that they could could
[14:59] possible even on YouTube comments that
[15:00] when is the next video coming and that's
[15:03] when I realized yes I made a commitment
[15:06] to everyone and people are expecting me
[15:09] to publish the video on a regular basis
[15:11] so whatever happens even if my video
[15:13] editor is on leave even if there is some
[15:15] other issue I should not stop doing it
[15:17] so that's why I have resumed it I have
[15:20] resumed it with full passion with full
[15:22] energy and even though I was publishing
[15:25] one video every week I'm now publishing
[15:27] two videos per week
[15:29] so I'll be completing this series next
[15:31] week like the coming week and I'll start
[15:35] with a new one after that okay yes so
[15:37] your question actually we diverted from
[15:39] the topic your question what motivated
[15:40] me so these messages these things like
[15:43] people waiting for me to publish the
[15:46] video this motivates me plus as I said
[15:51] this is something that I enjoy doing MH
[15:54] facing the camera I was really what do I
[15:56] say I I was really not ready to face the
[15:59] camera when I started my YouTube channel
[16:01] I started it with just the screen
[16:05] recording it was a faceless Channel that
[16:07] I rent for entire one year and after one
[16:11] year that's when I I faced my fear I
[16:14] came in front of camera and now I do
[16:17] every video in front of the camera even
[16:18] if it is a Hands-On lab of 1 hour I
[16:21] still keep my camera on all the time so
[16:24] it helped me as well it helps other who
[16:26] are following the videos and it was a
[16:29] win situation for me so I thought why
[16:31] don't I keep it
[16:33] going plus there is one more thing when
[16:35] I started it I did not start it with any
[16:38] intention it was just to help the
[16:40] community it was just to see if it
[16:42] interests me or
[16:44] not and then I started enjoying it and I
[16:49] felt the time that I spent in watching
[16:51] TV or watching Cricket or anything else
[16:53] I don't enjoy that time I am just
[16:55] killing my time doing those things
[16:57] because I have some time but when I do
[17:02] the video publishing video creation and
[17:04] whatnot so I feel like I have achieved
[17:06] something I felt like my day is
[17:09] productive now I can have a good night
[17:11] sleep because I did something that was
[17:14] not like watching a TV or I did not kill
[17:17] my time on that so that's the whole idea
[17:20] that's the whole intention behind this
[17:22] YouTube
[17:24] Journey wow I'm just getting excited
[17:28] instead of all the question that I'm
[17:30] asking and then the amazing answers that
[17:33] um you're giving I know you for a year
[17:35] but I did not know the depth um of um
[17:38] the reasoning and drive behind
[17:40] everything that you're doing so um I'm
[17:44] going to ask another question on this
[17:46] YouTube there is enough for you to do
[17:51] these and ongoing for many years to come
[17:54] but do you have a some kind of goal
[17:57] Target in your mind that where you want
[17:59] to take it in a year 3 years and five
[18:01] years from now I just want to grow my
[18:05] channel obviously numbers don't matter
[18:08] but numbers do matter when you're trying
[18:09] to reach to a maximum people right if I
[18:12] publish a video and no one watches it
[18:15] that my all efforts will go in vain
[18:17] because it's not reaching to the people
[18:20] that it's supposed to reach so I
[18:21] definitely want to grow and I need my
[18:24] goal is to provide videos or the content
[18:27] that is not available able easily that
[18:30] is something that is uh lot of people
[18:33] are finding difficulty in getting that
[18:35] free of cost obviously yes there'll be
[18:37] UD courses there'll be other premium
[18:39] courses that they could have but not
[18:41] everyone can afford those courses if we
[18:44] talk about college students if we talk
[18:45] about the professional who are in their
[18:47] early stages of career they don't have a
[18:50] lot of money to spend on on taking these
[18:53] courses or getting them themselves
[18:56] educated so my goal is to work for them
[18:59] my goal is to provide those initial
[19:02] steps those initial videos and content
[19:05] that could help Elevate their career
[19:07] that could help them doing something
[19:10] that you know they they wanted to do but
[19:12] they don't have a proper guidance or
[19:14] they don't have the resources to do so
[19:16] that's my goal is nothing fancy I'm not
[19:19] planning to start my own course or no at
[19:22] Tech nothing like that it just I want to
[19:25] keep doing what I'm doing I want to keep
[19:28] delivering the best and best videos out
[19:31] there and I I mostly Focus also what I
[19:34] do when I start a new series I I ask my
[19:36] subscriber or out there on LinkedIn
[19:38] YouTube Discord everywhere that these
[19:41] are the four topics that I'm planning uh
[19:44] to work on after this ongoing series
[19:46] what do you want me to do next and based
[19:49] on the votes that I get from the
[19:51] subscriber I start working on those the
[19:53] same happened with the Azure devops
[19:55] because I knew that azure devops has
[19:59] really a scarcity of resources when it
[20:01] comes to learning and everything not
[20:03] Everyone likes to read the documentation
[20:05] and Implement those steps people like to
[20:09] watch visuals and it it takes a
[20:12] longlasting impact on The Learning
[20:15] Journey and everything and also as I
[20:17] mentioned like most of the documents are
[20:19] outdated for Azure devops so that's so
[20:22] that's why and when I did the poll on
[20:24] LinkedIn and you would be amazed to see
[20:27] the results so around 55 to 60% votes
[20:30] were in favor of azure devops that's
[20:32] when I know yes this is something that I
[20:34] should definitely want to uh create a
[20:38] entire series on and this series many of
[20:40] those videos are over an hour long so it
[20:43] would be around 10 hours in total if we
[20:46] calculate all 16
[20:48] videos but I had a lot of amazing
[20:51] learning experience myself because I
[20:53] worked on this particular tool around
[20:55] four years back and then I never had a
[20:58] chance to to work on it but then now
[21:00] because I'm publishing the series I had
[21:02] to revise all the concepts I have to do
[21:05] the hands on everything and I have to
[21:08] research on everything because a lot has
[21:10] changed in past four years so yes it was
[21:14] an amazing learning experience for me as
[21:16] well now I I will add something here
[21:19] that I learned from dicki bushan and
[21:21] Cole they on ship 30 for30 and
[21:24] everything in writing and I learned a
[21:27] lot from them one other the thing that
[21:29] they said that that apply in this case
[21:32] to you is you're giving away everything
[21:35] for free which is
[21:36] amazing now there will be people who
[21:39] would want more access to you more
[21:42] access to you as in um directly learning
[21:46] from you either um for example they've
[21:50] learned they watch all your YouTube
[21:52] videos on Eder for example and now they
[21:55] have questions that or a very specific
[21:59] situation that they want to discuss with
[22:00] you what they suggested that on those
[22:04] moment uh when you have many of those
[22:07] requests there are you could create a
[22:10] program where they can there's a group
[22:13] session they watching your videos doing
[22:16] the exercise and then have your access
[22:19] one hour a we or couple of hour a week
[22:22] as a group to ask you question so there
[22:24] will be an X number of cost for that and
[22:27] then beyond that if uh someone want even
[22:31] more then it could be a one-on-one type
[22:34] sessions or very small type sessions now
[22:38] what happens let's say a person is uh
[22:40] earning 50,000 I'm just picking a random
[22:43] number okay 50,000 and uh this person
[22:46] can go from 50 to 75 or 100 or whatever
[22:50] right in their journey and they could uh
[22:54] by spending X number of dollar to gain
[22:58] some access to you they could actually
[23:02] amplify their approach anyway I'm not
[23:04] saying you do that I'm just saying that
[23:07] there are people who would want more
[23:10] access to you in whatever way it is and
[23:14] for you to be able to give that access
[23:17] because you cannot do that in a scale
[23:19] for 100,000 people but you could do that
[23:22] for 50 people you may want to think
[23:24] about those people at some point so I I
[23:28] thought about it around an Year back so
[23:30] that's when we started our own community
[23:33] so we have a Discord Community with 2500
[23:35] Plus members and we have a weekly call
[23:38] every weekend just after this podcast
[23:41] that we are having right now we have a
[23:42] Discord Community call okay so this is
[23:45] what like the first point that you
[23:46] mentioned people would would want to
[23:48] have more access to you in a group call
[23:50] where they could ask question where they
[23:51] have implemented something so yes we do
[23:54] that every week and that is free of Cost
[23:56] Plus in our Discord server there are
[23:58] dedicated channel for each of the videos
[24:00] or each of the series that we have and
[24:03] people who are facing their issues so
[24:06] they provide all the details over there
[24:09] the their code snippet the issue that
[24:10] they are facing errors the steps they
[24:12] have implemented the documentation or
[24:14] video that they have followed and
[24:17] initially I was helping them out grow as
[24:20] a community I needed more help so I
[24:22] reached out to everyone and see if we
[24:24] come together as a community and help
[24:26] each other and the results were amazing
[24:30] everyone now I don't have to reply to
[24:32] each and every message everyone in the
[24:34] community are helping each other without
[24:36] expecting anything in return just with
[24:38] the mindset of we are here to share
[24:40] knowledge we are here to gain knowledge
[24:42] it's something for everyone so people
[24:43] are helping each other in the community
[24:46] with any issue that they are facing and
[24:48] it is dedicated to cloud and devops so
[24:50] any issue with any cloud provider or any
[24:53] cicd pipeline specific anything that is
[24:56] cloud and Devo specific people are
[24:58] posting their issues over there and
[25:00] others are helping them out I also try
[25:03] to help them out once in a while like I
[25:05] check those messages every day or if not
[25:08] every day every alternate day and I try
[25:09] to answer those whatever I know and yes
[25:13] so I'm already doing that plus I started
[25:16] doing one-on-one mentorship session on
[25:19] top mid but I thought it was taking a
[25:22] lot of time out of my what do we call it
[25:24] the daily routine because if I'm doing
[25:26] those sessions I'm not able to work on
[25:28] my videos or the content that I was
[25:30] planning to do so it was just slowing me
[25:32] down so that's why I've stopped it
[25:34] temporarily initially when I started I
[25:37] have a story to share I when I started
[25:39] this topmate one-on-one session I was
[25:41] doing it for free even though I had
[25:43] limited Channel limited sessions per
[25:45] week but I was doing it for free but
[25:47] then people were taking advantage of it
[25:49] there was a day when I had three
[25:50] backtack sessions and no one showed up
[25:53] no one even cancelled it and no one
[25:55] showed up no one even messaged me that
[25:57] I'm going to be late or I'm not be able
[25:59] to make it so I feel really disheartened
[26:02] I put a comment on Twitter and like a
[26:06] tweet on Twitter and ask everyone's
[26:08] suggestion like how should we handle it
[26:10] I still want to help the community but I
[26:12] don't want to be in the situation again
[26:14] where I'm waiting for one and a half
[26:16] hour and no one showed up it's just
[26:18] wastage of my time and the whole
[26:20] intention behind helping the community
[26:22] it's not working with this approach so
[26:25] many of my friends even NES G suggested
[26:27] me
[26:28] even if you should be having some paid
[26:31] session because people if they don't
[26:34] respect your money if they don't respect
[26:36] your time they would definitely respect
[26:38] the money that they spend so that's when
[26:41] I started charging a nominal fee of $10
[26:44] from students $20 from working
[26:46] professional but again I did not felt it
[26:50] right to on because many of the sessions
[26:52] that I was doing those peoples are
[26:54] mostly they are struggling in their life
[26:56] they are not been able to make a living
[26:59] out of what they are doing so it was not
[27:03] felt right to me to charge money from
[27:05] them so that's when I decided okay I'm
[27:07] still going to charge the money but then
[27:09] I'll donate every money every single
[27:11] penny that I have earned from the top
[27:13] mate to an NGO so there is an NGO it's a
[27:18] India based NGO it's called pam.org
[27:21] and so whatever I earned from topmate I
[27:24] have donated each and everything to that
[27:27] NGO they are working to they are working
[27:29] to provide free education to
[27:31] underprivileged children in India so
[27:33] that's what they do and I really like
[27:35] the CA and I have donated everything to
[27:37] that till now and whatever session I'll
[27:39] be doing in the future I'll still be
[27:40] donating it to them plus because I work
[27:43] for Google whatever donation I make and
[27:46] if that NGO is associated with Google so
[27:48] they will double the donation payment
[27:50] wow so whatever donation I made Google
[27:54] contributed the same amount from their
[27:56] side so I thought yes that money
[27:59] couldn't be put to a better use than
[28:01] this that's what I did and that's what I
[28:03] continue for that cause I will book a
[28:06] session with
[28:07] you so I I answered both of your uh
[28:11] suggestions so group one-onone session
[28:13] still doing it and one-on-one session on
[28:15] top mate and this is what I meant by
[28:19] that so whoever is
[28:22] listening see how much is offering
[28:25] utilize that watch their video join the
[28:29] community ask question and I tell this
[28:33] to everyone the biggest help that you
[28:35] could do to the community is by asking
[28:38] the right question because you ask one
[28:40] question push will answer many other
[28:43] people will answer and it will help many
[28:45] people asking just asking the question
[28:48] and asking the right question is the
[28:51] very first and impactful contribution
[28:54] that you can make in a community all
[28:56] right awesome aome this is so much
[29:00] information here so much information
[29:02] here for um me to grasp and whoever will
[29:06] be watching um we got to see what you do
[29:10] at Google what drives you create these
[29:14] amazing videos and then on top of that
[29:17] everything that you're doing for the
[29:18] community and how people can utilize it
[29:21] right and then let's go slightly
[29:26] backward how did you get into Google I
[29:29] know you have created a video
[29:31] specifically for this so you already
[29:34] have a video but I do want to ask you if
[29:37] you can summarize your approach number
[29:39] one how did you come up with this idea
[29:42] that I want to join Google and then how
[29:45] did you prepare for it sure so first of
[29:49] all I never came with an idea to join
[29:51] the Google I never had the courage or
[29:54] the guts to even apply for Google it
[29:57] happens because it was meant to be but I
[30:00] started my channel and then I was
[30:02] publishing my videos I was learning a
[30:03] lot of new tools and Technologies while
[30:06] I'm publishing the videos and I was
[30:08] learning new clouds I was doing Hands-On
[30:11] I was doing certifications and
[30:13] Publishing technical blogs as well of
[30:16] whatever I was learning so that made me
[30:19] visible in over LinkedIn for a good
[30:22] reason not because I was posting
[30:25] something like follow me for this follow
[30:27] me for that but because I was publishing
[30:29] something that could help someone so it
[30:32] made my presence visible and it made it
[30:36] it put me in front of the hiring
[30:38] managers and the recruiters and
[30:41] everyone so that's when out of the blue
[30:44] one day Google recruiter reached out to
[30:46] me I did not apply as I said I never had
[30:49] the Dare or courage to apply for Google
[30:52] because when we talk about Google we
[30:54] talk about DSA coding and a lot of other
[30:57] things that not really good
[30:59] at I I don't enjoy those things and I
[31:02] know the basic coding I know the basic
[31:05] of how to write the code how to
[31:06] troubleshoot the code but that's about
[31:08] it I'm I'm not a hardcore developer and
[31:11] I never enjoyed it so that's the line
[31:14] that I never chose so that's and that is
[31:17] the reason why I never applied for
[31:19] Google but then he reached out to me and
[31:22] told me like these are the roles that
[31:24] are there and if you would be interested
[31:25] in going further with the process the
[31:28] first question that I asked him would
[31:29] there be any DSA round would there be
[31:31] any coding round he explained me the
[31:33] process he said there won't be any DSA
[31:35] round because it is a cloud specific
[31:36] role it is not a hardcore development
[31:39] role so you would not be building
[31:40] applications but you will be working on
[31:43] troubleshooting uh Services you'll be
[31:45] working on helping customers customer
[31:46] facing role and there would be a coding
[31:49] round but it would be mostly around
[31:51] troubleshooting the code where you would
[31:53] be given a snippet of the code and you
[31:56] have to walk us through the code would
[31:58] line by line dry run it and find any
[32:00] problems in that that was about it and
[32:03] that would be in your preferred language
[32:05] of
[32:06] choice so I thought okay I cannot say no
[32:09] to opportunity that comes by itself so I
[32:12] said yes okay let's go with it and we'll
[32:15] see what happens so I just went ahead
[32:17] with it without expecting too much or
[32:21] without thinking too much about what
[32:22] would be the outcome so I just went
[32:24] ahead with it and then one thing
[32:28] led to another and I had few interview
[32:31] rounds so there was one round with the
[32:33] recruiter itself over the phone then
[32:34] there was a technical round over the
[32:36] phone and there were four rounds back to
[32:39] back in a day so it was like 50 minutes
[32:41] round each 10 minutes a break in between
[32:44] and then there was next round so it was
[32:45] like four rounds back to back wow and
[32:48] then after because it was a holiday
[32:50] season Christmas New Year at that time
[32:52] it there was a delay in the hiring
[32:55] process for around a couple of months
[32:57] after a couple couple of months I had
[32:59] one more round it was with the hiring
[33:01] manager it was informal discussion and
[33:04] he was telling me about the role the
[33:07] team and if I would be comfortable in
[33:09] joining that so they were they were
[33:11] giving me all the flexibility to ask the
[33:13] question and any doubts that I could
[33:16] have so it was more of a interview from
[33:18] my side where I was given opportunity to
[33:20] ask the question and that was about it
[33:23] and then recruiter reached out to me so
[33:24] this is what we can offer you and we had
[33:27] a lot of
[33:28] negotiation back and forth but at the
[33:30] end they released the offer and that's
[33:32] how I got into wow so the first thing to
[33:36] point out you did not apply you was not
[33:40] even thinking about it but you was
[33:41] creating some buzz in social media so
[33:43] let's get deeper into that what kind of
[33:46] buz and how long it was and what are the
[33:48] specific thing that you were doing at
[33:50] that point yeah so at that time if I
[33:52] remember correctly like I said I did
[33:54] Azure devop series because there was not
[33:56] a lot of content around it so at that
[33:58] time gitlab cicd was the one thing so I
[34:02] was working on a client it was a
[34:04] freelancing project that I got and in
[34:07] that they had this specific requirement
[34:09] to use gitlab to automate their entire
[34:11] cicd pipeline including the
[34:13] infrastructure provisioning so I thought
[34:16] it's a good opportunity for me to learn
[34:17] so I learned everything I implemented
[34:20] that over there for like in a period of
[34:23] 3 to 5 months and because I thought I
[34:27] just learned it I don't want to waste
[34:29] the knowledge and I don't want to just
[34:32] keep the knowledge to myself I thought
[34:34] of sharing it with everyone so that's
[34:36] why I created an entire video on gitlab
[34:39] it was 1 hour plus video 1 hour 17
[34:41] minute something and I included each and
[34:44] everything with the help of an entire
[34:46] project like everything like how to use
[34:49] variables parameters how to use Secrets
[34:53] everything that you should have in the
[34:55] git lab and not just that I've included
[34:58] animations to explain the concept in a
[35:00] more graphical way and a lot of other
[35:02] things when in the interview they asked
[35:05] me something that you have done that you
[35:09] are proud of I told them this why I did
[35:13] that and how it helped everyone and why
[35:17] I'm proud of it and they were uh they
[35:22] were really happy listening to it
[35:23] because Google is about open source
[35:27] contribution and when they hear these
[35:29] things that we do about the community to
[35:32] help the community and whether it's an
[35:35] open source contribution or leading
[35:37] developer groups or user groups or
[35:40] creating technical blogs videos
[35:42] something that could help the community
[35:44] in expanding their knowledge set so they
[35:46] really give importance to those
[35:48] things so that that was a plus point
[35:52] that went into my favor that helped me
[35:55] in presenting myself in a better way
[35:57] that I could have done without it and
[36:00] did recruiter say that what is specific
[36:03] content that he found no he did not
[36:06] mention anything like that okay but you
[36:08] had different post on LinkedIn you have
[36:10] videos and you have okay yes and blogs
[36:14] as well because I was writing blogs and
[36:17] the funny thing to know is I was not
[36:19] even working on gcp at that time I did
[36:21] not have any gcp experience I was
[36:23] working mostly on AWS and Azure and
[36:27] that's the only experience I had till
[36:28] then and I also told them that I never
[36:31] worked with Google cloud and he said you
[36:33] worked with AWS Ando that's more than
[36:36] enough because concept will always be
[36:38] the same it's just the cloud provider
[36:40] have different services and they'll be
[36:42] doing the same thing with the different
[36:45] services and sorry I I just want to add
[36:48] that when you did the site project for a
[36:51] client you was working full-time at
[36:54] another company I was working as a
[36:56] contractor I was working with the Bank
[36:59] of Montreal as a cloud engineer but it
[37:01] was a contract role I see so in Canada
[37:04] I'm not sure if the same in us but in
[37:06] Canada we have a permanent role and a
[37:08] contract role in contract role you get
[37:10] paid early and you have your own
[37:13] Corporation so I have my own Corporation
[37:17] and I can take additional projects on
[37:19] that Corporation right because I am
[37:21] working as a independent contractor I
[37:23] don't have any binding contract with the
[37:26] with a particular company so us if
[37:28] you're working full-time you can still
[37:30] take site project it's completely
[37:33] allowed as long as there is no conflict
[37:36] of interest and then second if you're
[37:38] not doing that during the office hour
[37:40] cor as long as you ethically ma managing
[37:43] it you can do that yeah I guess it's the
[37:46] same in Canada as well it just I was not
[37:48] even in the at the permanent role at
[37:50] that time I was doing Contracting for a
[37:52] client yeah the reason I wanted to
[37:55] specify that or add that in is that you
[37:59] there is no excuse to do the side work
[38:03] and then utilize that information to
[38:06] share with write a technical article of
[38:08] exactly how you have done XYZ and that
[38:12] just by doing that you got your
[38:14] visibility and then a recruiter reach
[38:16] out to you and then you were able to use
[38:19] that experience in your interview as
[38:21] well y it it's a great example as I've
[38:24] mentioned YouTube played and not just
[38:26] YouTube the blogs that I written and I
[38:28] was AWS I'm still am I'm AWS Community
[38:31] Builder so I published blogs on their
[38:33] website as well so all this community
[38:36] efforts that I was putting into whatever
[38:39] I could do from my side so that really
[38:41] helped me getting into Google or even at
[38:43] least getting my resume short listed
[38:47] where were you writing all these blogs I
[38:50] have I was writing on medium.com dev. so
[38:54] dev. where I write AWS specific blogs
[38:58] and medium and then I guess these two
[39:00] are the main side I was contributing a
[39:02] little to stack Overflow as well okay
[39:05] and yeah that's mostly about it and I
[39:07] was focusing mostly on YouTube videos
[39:10] okay medium has been my platform too
[39:12] I've been writing there for since
[39:14] 2019 I have more than 300 articles oh
[39:19] that's amazing and there was a point
[39:21] where I had
[39:22] 150,000 monthly views and that's when I
[39:26] I decided to join and call that I'm
[39:29] getting traction and to scale it to the
[39:32] next level I have to do something more
[39:35] and I'm blessed that I did that because
[39:39] they gave me a completely different
[39:41] perspective of where I can take it okay
[39:44] it has been a journey that's amazing
[39:47] that's amazing to know all right I want
[39:51] to ask one last question around your
[39:54] career Journey a very high level view of
[39:58] in last 12 years I'm sure the journey
[40:02] has taken many shape many
[40:04] turns and there are probably things that
[40:08] has guided your path and so if you have
[40:12] to reflect on it from a point where
[40:17] somebody who is starting their Journey
[40:19] MH and giving them an idea that how you
[40:23] started how you navigated through this
[40:27] path and 12 year later what's your
[40:30] biggest learning maybe one two or three
[40:33] four sure points on top of my head my
[40:37] biggest learning would be sometimes you
[40:39] don't have to create goal for
[40:42] yourself sometimes you just have to pick
[40:44] a path do something and do it constantly
[40:48] consistency is the key whatever you are
[40:50] doing it if you are doing something
[40:52] consistently then you will definitely
[40:54] get the end results because let's say my
[40:57] goal would have been if my goal would
[40:59] have been getting into Google or getting
[41:01] into any big Brands MH then maybe I
[41:04] wouldn't have achieved it but my goal
[41:06] was not that my goal was to share the
[41:10] Knowledge and Skills with the
[41:12] community and do it over a period of
[41:15] time do it consistently so that was my
[41:18] goal but it was not even a goal it was
[41:21] doing something that I was L doing but I
[41:23] was doing it for a long time I'm still
[41:25] doing it and it help me get into Google
[41:28] so goal is just an end result something
[41:32] that you would get when you do something
[41:34] for a period of time so that's what my
[41:37] suggestion is sometimes you don't have
[41:39] to create goal for yourself and
[41:41] sometimes you just have to let's say if
[41:43] you want to get into a good company you
[41:46] know as a fresher your goal shouldn't be
[41:49] to get into company your goal should be
[41:52] I'm going to do DSA for next 3 months
[41:54] without any break or I'm going to learn
[41:57] a new technology I'm going to learn a
[41:59] new programming language over a period
[42:01] of 6 months or one year and that could
[42:04] help me get into job right so that's
[42:07] what I would suggest do something that
[42:10] you can do over a period of time and I'm
[42:13] sure I have repeated this many times but
[42:15] this is what I meant by that and you
[42:18] will definitely get the end results
[42:20] Maybe not maybe not tomorrow maybe it
[42:22] will take some days some months but it
[42:25] will definitely happen and one other
[42:28] point is where you start is not where
[42:30] you will end you will encounter many
[42:32] opportunity as long as you're open for
[42:34] them and working hard toward them you
[42:38] will get somewhere it doesn't have to be
[42:41] where you
[42:42] started awesome this is super
[42:46] exciting I'm I'm just pumped with all
[42:48] the information that we have discussed
[42:50] in this episode I want to take it to
[42:55] toward the end and I think we have
[42:58] covered this but let's quickly talk
[43:01] about your time management and goal
[43:04] setting methods okay when it comes to
[43:07] time
[43:08] management I try not to sacrifice my
[43:12] family time I try not to do anything
[43:15] during my office time because that's
[43:18] where I'm earning my bread and butter so
[43:21] I wouldn't want to take advantage of it
[43:24] so I keep those time separate and after
[43:27] that that I work on creating the content
[43:30] or something that I was planning to do
[43:32] for a long time so I create a to-do list
[43:34] for myself the task that I want to
[43:36] achieve on a daily basis and the task
[43:39] that I would want to achieve on a weekly
[43:41] basis and I keep sticking to it
[43:44] sometimes I have to move the task in
[43:46] between like I have to carry forward it
[43:48] to the next week or it usually happens
[43:51] so that's what I do and I I do follow
[43:55] some creators that really help me with
[43:57] getting better at time management like
[43:59] Ali abdal is one of those and I highly
[44:02] recommend if anyone is struggling with
[44:04] time management or if they are not
[44:06] productive enough so they should
[44:07] definitely watch Ali abdal he has some
[44:10] amazing productivity tips time
[44:12] management and all those things it
[44:14] really helps me I've tried a lot of
[44:16] things I've tried keeping everything on
[44:18] notion on click up and everything but at
[44:20] the end what work with for me was old
[44:24] school notepad or just I'll show you
[44:26] over here here over here are my to-do
[44:28] list so one is weekly and one is daily
[44:31] so that's my to-do list those two white
[44:34] white Bo right yes this one and this one
[44:37] over here yes these two yeah I I will
[44:41] actually show my oops oh I should not
[44:44] have done this there in the corner yeah
[44:48] my whiteboard okay so so that's what
[44:51] worked for me at the end I tried a lot
[44:53] of thing I tried doing it over the phone
[44:55] applications Mac applications and
[44:57] everything but I guess it doesn't matter
[45:00] if you are using any technology or if
[45:02] you are doing it old school so whatever
[45:04] work best for you is the way to go I
[45:07] also have this I keep this small notpad
[45:10] with me all the time yeah so see if we
[45:13] doing the same
[45:16] thing yeah yeah this definitely work one
[45:19] of the other thing that has worked
[45:21] really well for me is the quarterly
[45:23] planning so I said big goals for the
[45:26] quarter
[45:27] and um three weeks ago I had a
[45:29] realization that only three week left so
[45:32] it completely changed how my relaxedness
[45:35] to uh slightly more aggressiveness but
[45:39] uh quarterly planning helped me so I set
[45:41] the goal that break it and then do some
[45:44] kind of weekly sessions with myself like
[45:47] you were saying right weekly goals and
[45:49] then daily goals so that has been
[45:51] working really well all right all right
[45:53] all right my last three questions
[45:57] let's start with this one is there any
[46:00] question that I have not asked you but
[46:02] you want to answer I guess we have
[46:05] covered everything it just I would say
[46:07] one thing like about the whole process
[46:10] of getting into Google so I would like
[46:11] to share one experience so when I was
[46:14] interviewing for Google so it's not
[46:17] really easy to get into Google if even
[46:19] if you get a call even if your resume
[46:21] get shortlisted even then it I I cannot
[46:24] say the actual number but there is a
[46:26] high chance that you would be rejected
[46:29] so what helped me along that Journey
[46:31] what helped me Asing the interview was
[46:33] my previous failures my previous
[46:35] rejections so I I created a whole video
[46:38] on that about my experience interviewing
[46:41] with Amazon Canada AWS yes so I failed a
[46:46] lot of time during those interviews so I
[46:48] gave around 11 interviews 11 different
[46:52] roles 11 interviews for different roles
[46:54] for a period of three to four years
[46:57] and sometimes I cleared all the rounds
[47:00] and I failed in the last round or
[47:01] sometimes I was not even able to clear
[47:04] the first telephonic interview round but
[47:07] every failure after every failure I
[47:09] created a list of all the questions that
[47:12] were asked and I did a self-realization
[47:15] what I know and what I need to work on
[47:18] so I actually worked on myself after
[47:21] every interview instead of feeling bad
[47:23] that I was getting rejected every time
[47:25] so I was not doing that I did not have
[47:27] time to regret but I could have done and
[47:30] what I did was to to realize my mistake
[47:33] and you know realize what could have I
[47:36] done better and I worked on that so that
[47:39] helped me because interview process for
[47:42] Amazon and Google is almost the same it
[47:44] is again like in Amazon as well there
[47:46] was an interview Loop or four five
[47:49] rounds in a day back the same that
[47:51] happened with Google so it was a
[47:53] rigorous process it was something that
[47:57] not everyone has faced and those
[48:00] rejections helped me uh create the
[48:03] better version of myself because I got
[48:07] the time to think about I got the time
[48:10] to work on my skills to work on myself
[48:12] and then finally I was able to crack the
[48:14] Google inter so yeah that's that's what
[48:17] I wanted to
[48:18] share that's so powerful advice people
[48:21] say that they're not getting job but
[48:24] just working after the interview is more
[48:27] crucial than working before the
[48:30] interview and and I have used the same
[48:33] tactics when I was giving interview is
[48:35] that every time I finish the interview
[48:37] the first thing I would do is to brain
[48:39] down everything that they have asked and
[48:41] then I will try to write everything that
[48:45] I have answered and then anything that I
[48:48] have missed and how can I improve the
[48:50] answer that I have given in these
[48:51] interviews and plus reading about the
[48:55] question that I had no idea about
[48:57] yeah correct yeah that's what I did and
[48:59] it really helped me and it's then when I
[49:02] realize I don't know a lot of things and
[49:05] I think I should be aware of these
[49:07] things these are some of the basics and
[49:09] and sometimes it happens when you are in
[49:10] front of interviewer and they ask you a
[49:12] simple plain question you just freeze at
[49:16] that moment even if you know the answer
[49:19] even if you have worked on it you
[49:21] sometimes don't have a lot of confidence
[49:23] answering those freely it's when your
[49:27] previous interview experience it when
[49:29] you practice it a lot that's what helps
[49:32] over there you know what worked for me
[49:34] and this was a common phenomena that
[49:37] after three to five interview my voice
[49:40] is Flowing corre FL but first three
[49:43] interview definitely just like what you
[49:46] saying that I know the answer but I
[49:47] cannot deliver it or I even if I'm
[49:49] trying to answer it I do not have the
[49:52] confidence in my voice yep that happened
[49:55] a lot of times
[49:58] okay just nothing it's just another
[49:59] interview so after you have passed that
[50:02] threshold of three to five interviews
[50:03] after that you started taking interview
[50:06] as a discussion rather than an interview
[50:08] yes it will become more of a discussion
[50:11] like what we are doing now right 100%
[50:14] yeah so that's what happens so is there
[50:17] any question for
[50:19] me I had a lot of question for you and
[50:22] we and thank you for giving out time a
[50:25] few a couple of months back when we
[50:26] discuss a lot of things the same thing
[50:28] about time management and everything so
[50:31] I believe everyone who is doing anything
[50:33] apart from their 9 to5 job is struggling
[50:35] with time management with productivity
[50:37] and lot and you really helped me with a
[50:40] lot of my questions out the main advice
[50:44] that you gave me was Outsource the thing
[50:46] that is eating up most of your time and
[50:48] it's not really helping you are not
[50:50] enjoying it all those things and so you
[50:53] already answered all those questions and
[50:55] thank you for doing that
[50:57] you're most welcome you're most welcome
[51:00] last question for today's session any
[51:04] advice to
[51:06] audience my audience is people who do
[51:09] not have their first job or who have the
[51:13] first job and in in um three to five
[51:16] year experience and trying to think what
[51:19] next for them so those are the two
[51:20] people that I cater
[51:22] for so I would say if you are something
[51:26] who don't have the first job beginner or
[51:28] the college graduates I would say if you
[51:32] have a lot of time like if you are still
[51:33] in college you have a lot of time so
[51:35] experiment out different things while
[51:37] you still have the time try to do your
[51:39] handson coding front end back end
[51:42] database security Cloud devops whatever
[51:45] you think is there in the market or
[51:47] whatever you think will sustain in the
[51:49] market for a long time and see what you
[51:51] enjoy the most so at the end of the day
[51:55] you will be able to deliver you 100% on
[51:57] something that you enjoy the most and
[52:00] not something that you are doing just to
[52:02] get a job so while you are still in the
[52:05] college do those experiments and play
[52:07] around and see what you enjoy the most
[52:09] and then give your 100% on that thing so
[52:13] that would take you a long way and the
[52:16] other advice for a 3 to five years of
[52:18] experience is try to utilize your time
[52:21] in the things that matters that helps
[52:22] you become productive or get something
[52:25] out of it people try to create a lot of
[52:27] fear that Deon is here software
[52:29] Engineers might lose their job so don't
[52:32] get tensed about it don't involve
[52:34] yourself in those conversations on just
[52:37] try to see even if creating an AI bot
[52:42] whatever it is you still have to write
[52:44] the code and the company that is
[52:47] promoting their first AI engineer they
[52:49] are still hiring software Engineers so
[52:51] this is just a marketing gimmick and
[52:54] this is not something thing to be afraid
[52:57] of it it's just an another Innovation
[53:00] it's just another disruptive innovation
[53:02] and we should not be afraid of we should
[53:04] take advantage of it how we can use it
[53:06] to make our life easier how we can use
[53:08] it to make ourself more productive than
[53:10] we were before try to focus on the
[53:13] things that matters to you and try to
[53:16] keep yourself away from these
[53:18] discussions these things that really
[53:21] does not help anyone that's the only
[53:24] advice that I would have and every new
[53:26] technology while it create disruption it
[53:28] also creates some new opportunity and if
[53:31] you are early in the wagon B then you
[53:34] can get those opportunity compared to
[53:37] somebody who's sitting on the sideline
[53:39] and
[53:40] worrying that's true and there was a
[53:44] recent comment on my YouTube channel I
[53:45] still have to answer that so it was like
[53:47] Devon is here would it take devops job
[53:50] so my answer to that would be if you are
[53:53] doing something that is repetitive that
[53:56] does not require a lot of logical
[53:58] thinking or that is solely depend on
[54:01] tool and technology and nothing that you
[54:03] are putting from your side then yes it
[54:05] might replace your job but if you are
[54:06] doing something and if you can move from
[54:10] let's say you are proficient in one
[54:12] technology so even if that technology
[54:14] get obsolete you still have the
[54:15] background of it you have know how it
[54:18] works end to end you can still move to
[54:20] another technology if that becomes right
[54:23] so that should not stop you from where
[54:25] you want to be but if you are doing
[54:27] something doing let's say all the
[54:29] repetive works we we have seen like the
[54:32] jobs that have be become obsolete let's
[54:34] say voice overs or transcribing jobs
[54:38] those things that AI can easily do so
[54:42] try to this is the high time that we
[54:45] think about upskilling ourself and
[54:47] prepare ourself for the future because
[54:49] if we are not upskilling ourselves
[54:51] someone somewhere is doing that and that
[54:54] that person could take your job and that
[54:58] person is something yes you should be
[55:00] worried about not from the AI or any
[55:03] other tool in the
[55:05] market
[55:07] awesome this was one of the best uh
[55:09] conversation that I had so thank you so
[55:11] much P for coming as a guest on this
[55:14] podcast thank thank you v g I really
[55:17] enjoyed each and every question and I
[55:19] wish we had more time but we tried to
[55:21] cover each and everything that we wanted
[55:23] to so thank you so much and I really
[55:25] appreciate it e