How I Got Into Tech as a Female Nigerian Web Developer (Ep: 36)

[0:00] welcome cozy food on this podcast
[0:04] um with this podcast I try to bring a
[0:06] breeze of different people in Tech how
[0:10] they decided to get into the tech and
[0:13] what they have done to to learn and and
[0:17] be in this field so I learn about your
[0:21] story during this space and I was
[0:23] impressed that everything that you was
[0:25] doing especially around EXO which is a
[0:28] website for Nigerian student for free I
[0:31] believe
[0:32] um and and so
[0:35] with that
[0:37] um I want to welcome and I want to ask
[0:40] how did you decide to go into Tech how
[0:44] your journey started okay um it started
[0:47] in day um 2022 when um I was actually I
[0:52] let me see I started in as they did try
[0:56] Industries because
[0:58] I'm actually like a school dropouts a
[1:00] second job sorry a universal job because
[1:03] of some conditions here in my country so
[1:07] I was looking for a way to further
[1:09] myself to improve myself and so um make
[1:14] sure I actually excel in other areas
[1:17] except for school-wise stuff so I went
[1:20] into Tech when I was in while I was
[1:23] actually in my lowest I didn't want to
[1:25] do I was just looking for guidance and
[1:28] academic question
[1:30] so I prayed about it and the next thing
[1:33] I that came to my spirit was just to
[1:36] just go into Tech and then I sat down
[1:38] and I made my research about different
[1:40] areas of tech to go into because there
[1:43] are lots and lots of areas and I will
[1:46] start and I became a recession I started
[1:47] writing down things and then I decided
[1:50] to go into software engineering I turned
[1:53] off my video so that it's less bandwidth
[1:56] so that's how it started
[1:58] yes as I started last year late last
[2:02] year so in last year so uh you said you
[2:05] looked into all the areas and then you
[2:07] selected software engineering uh yeah a
[2:11] bit more deeper into
[2:15] what are the different criteria
[2:17] that you have explore and then what was
[2:20] the process for picking software
[2:22] engineering
[2:25] okay
[2:26] um for different criterias I can say
[2:29] that
[2:30] um address I just I made memories I saw
[2:33] um I saw cyber security I saw the also
[2:36] um software engineering and so um era
[2:38] and ux design because as an illustrator
[2:40] because I was originally on this result
[2:42] since the year 2020 I was thinking
[2:45] probably it would be nice to go into
[2:46] unus designing but I just realized that
[2:49] you are great designing is not really
[2:52] something I really want to go into
[2:53] because along the line there in my
[2:55] country and when I went here like ladies
[2:58] into software engineering people tend to
[3:01] be like ah is it possible they believe
[3:03] that this feed is just for the means
[3:07] they believe that the female meant to be
[3:09] in the UI ux designing power because
[3:11] it's easy and they may are meant to be
[3:14] in the software engine parts because the
[3:16] feet hurt or feed something that you
[3:18] have to keep studying and studying
[3:20] everything I feel like ladies are so
[3:22] lazy to do that so while I was just
[3:24] making my research I started asking some
[3:26] few friends who are actually into Tech
[3:28] correctly and they kept saying that the
[3:31] software engineering part is something
[3:33] that you shouldn't go to just go into UI
[3:35] you are a new exercise because I said
[3:37] according to them I'm just like an a I'm
[3:39] just a designer but I just I said to
[3:42] know okay what exactly it's in this
[3:45] software engineering parts and I started
[3:48] making my research I was just browsing
[3:50] about it and I was saying different
[3:51] options and then there was a day when I
[3:54] was just on Facebook I saw a free
[3:57] Courtney bootcamp that just popped up
[3:59] it's called Alx it's for Africans they
[4:03] teach you how to
[4:05] um code in the in the Silicon Valley Way
[4:07] and when I saw it I just looked through
[4:10] the form and I saw the option of me
[4:13] dedicating 70 hours of my time
[4:17] and then I just decided to just go into
[4:19] it and I applied and then it was not
[4:22] worth the month I was accepted
[4:25] accepted I I
[4:28] this feed is something that actually has
[4:30] great interest because I love challenges
[4:32] I love wood waiting to challenge me and
[4:34] once number NX is that they challenge
[4:36] you to do more challenging more
[4:39] scientists just put in your efforts so
[4:42] when I saw that every day I kept on
[4:44] being challenged and I kept somebody to
[4:46] know more I kept some good
[4:50] um I just fell in love with the software
[4:53] engineering parts and then that was when
[4:55] I realized my joy in in working as a
[4:59] user interface and how to make a good a
[5:02] very lovely design and I realized that
[5:04] that's where I really want to go into
[5:06] that's my calling that's the exact place
[5:10] I should just stick to and then here I
[5:13] am right now I'm starting to strive and
[5:15] make sure that good environment so
[5:18] that's it's more storyboards The Love Is
[5:22] wow so so just to summarize
[5:25] um
[5:26] there were some some uh circumstances
[5:30] situation around the country that made
[5:33] you start thinking about this and then
[5:35] you found a a
[5:38] you had some conversation with your
[5:40] friends and you you made a point that
[5:43] people was expecting and telling you
[5:45] that you shouldn't go in the software
[5:47] engine because that's not that's only
[5:49] for men and you stick with the the
[5:52] graphics because that's for the women's
[5:54] uh who are these people
[5:58] well they're like let me see
[6:01] um some tech friends like Tech things in
[6:03] a way because they feel like it's
[6:06] something that is just hard and just for
[6:08] the just for the meals but like I feel
[6:12] that's not true because here in my
[6:14] country people don't really let me say
[6:17] the in the rural era because I'm
[6:19] actually from the right era people
[6:21] believe that there's nothing called Tech
[6:23] there's nothing called um working online
[6:27] like there's nothing like that they feel
[6:29] like it's just the nine to five jobs
[6:31] and I don't know I just I just found
[6:35] this passion in the online world and
[6:38] that was I was able to realize that
[6:40] there's something context there's
[6:42] something to invest my time in and it
[6:45] was then I made one or two friends and I
[6:48] discussed them about my day of going to
[6:50] the the software engineering side and at
[6:54] first they were like you can't do it you
[6:57] really can't do it it's hard you can't
[6:59] do it you have to read you have to study
[7:01] you have to learn different languages
[7:03] every day every day be busy I was like
[7:05] yeah I know I know it's something I I
[7:08] feel I can do I love challenges I need
[7:10] to do this I need to do this and I just
[7:13] motivated myself and yeah I am right now
[7:16] so that's where I was going who are
[7:19] these people to say tell you what you
[7:21] can do and what you cannot do right you
[7:24] are the one who is deciding and and
[7:26] always remember that
[7:28] yeah no one is there to tell you what
[7:30] you can do and what you cannot do in my
[7:33] uh I have the other situation I'm in
[7:35] Florida I we we are a team of like 30
[7:38] different programmers 30 40 different
[7:40] programmers and I have just one girl in
[7:44] the entirety one woman and
[7:47] and whenever I was hiring whenever
[7:51] um I would go uh a mile to find uh good
[7:56] programmers so that we can have the
[7:58] diversity the company that I work for at
[8:01] vent Health they are huge in terms of
[8:04] the diversity and I I was trying to
[8:07] follow the mission and it's my own
[8:10] interest that we have every uh different
[8:14] different uh thought process right
[8:17] different perspective and Views but it
[8:20] was hard because there was not many
[8:22] women programmer
[8:24] um who either applied or whatever but
[8:27] anyway I'm glad that you decided to do
[8:30] this and my own needs uh two of them are
[8:33] currently learning as well so I am a big
[8:36] proponent of this field this field is
[8:39] very good I say
[8:41] one of the good feel for women you
[8:44] working with other people you're working
[8:47] in a professional environment either
[8:49] remote or in office and safe too so
[8:52] kudos for you then kudos for going
[8:55] beyond what people are telling you
[8:57] [Music]
[8:59] yeah as what I really love it's I loved
[9:03] when people when people feel like I
[9:04] can't do something I love challenging
[9:06] myself I'm proving to people that yeah I
[9:08] can't do this after definitely my
[9:10] greatest motivation it motivates me to
[9:12] do more and put some more efforts
[9:14] foreign
[9:20] recently I had an issue with a friend
[9:23] that still a programmer but it's
[9:24] actually in me and it's I don't know I
[9:27] would like to put in some efforts but it
[9:29] kept on saying that you are not being
[9:31] focused you are not doing this you're
[9:33] not doing that and then all of a sudden
[9:34] it felt like I was just lacking behind
[9:37] and then he left but one thing I told
[9:39] myself that oh really I'm not putting
[9:41] Focus the test I said I try to just put
[9:44] in all my focus arrange everything
[9:46] around me and make sure that every day I
[9:48] learned something every day I'm devoted
[9:51] in making sure that I'm good at a
[9:54] certain era because like I found during
[9:56] the during my um stay like I went to
[9:59] Mingo with some certain friends and then
[10:01] I was introduced to one of a female
[10:03] friend of mine a long time I deeply know
[10:06] about that but recently we came to
[10:08] London and then she introduced him to a
[10:10] world of defy if she's the web to reward
[10:14] and I realized that I I love that part
[10:17] too because being a front-end engineer
[10:19] in the web 3 world it's something that I
[10:21] don't know I can't really explain it
[10:23] it's just like a dream come true because
[10:26] there were three world it's it's like I
[10:29] don't know how to explain it because
[10:30] it's just something beautiful and then I
[10:34] realized okay this is where I really
[10:35] want to go to and then I just kept on
[10:38] pushing myself and pushing myself to
[10:40] prove to people that even though yeah
[10:42] um like an invested your heart I wonder
[10:45] yeah the economy in my country is not
[10:47] really that great right now yeah I can
[10:49] still succeed as a lady I can still be
[10:52] of great impact so a lot of people I can
[10:55] still make great impact in this world I
[10:56] can still achieve greater things and
[10:58] become who I really want to be because I
[11:00] feel this is where I really want to be
[11:02] this way I want to stay for years time
[11:04] to come I want to be here and I'm going
[11:06] to keep pushing and striving to succeed
[11:09] in this industry
[11:10] so that's it
[11:12] I love your passion I love your passion
[11:15] and energy there and this field is
[11:18] exactly how you are explaining that you
[11:21] that that motivate you you will get a
[11:23] lot of challenge you will get a lot of
[11:25] situation where you would even think
[11:27] that this is not possible but you will
[11:30] keep going because this is there is some
[11:33] magic in in in software where it just
[11:38] consume you and you keep going you even
[11:40] if when you're thinking that this is
[11:42] very hard you keep going it has some
[11:45] kind of magic inside
[11:47] yeah and one thing I love is making
[11:50] friends in this in this industry because
[11:53] I feel like we're there to motivate each
[11:55] other because there are some times when
[11:56] I will just feel down and probably want
[11:59] to give up for the little friends that
[12:00] they they just keep pushing and stop
[12:03] telling you that you can do this you're
[12:05] trying I would sometimes when um
[12:07] imposter syndrome did come knocking at
[12:09] the door but my friends are always there
[12:11] my birthday friends are always there to
[12:14] support me and push me to know that yeah
[12:15] you can do this keep on going you are
[12:18] doing better than before so like I feel
[12:21] one of the greatest thing is having
[12:23] friends that are there to help you and
[12:25] push you forward mostly when the time
[12:27] when you feed down or feed that you can
[12:30] do this one challenge is getting too
[12:31] much having the right people around your
[12:33] circle is one of the best things that
[12:35] can ever happen to a software engineer
[12:37] or anybody in this tech industry
[12:40] so I see
[12:42] awesome so let's keep going so so you
[12:45] found this website which is for African
[12:47] student and you apply yeah and then you
[12:50] got accepted and that was the exciting
[12:51] moment right
[12:53] um and and so tell me more about how
[12:56] long is this course the one that you
[12:58] okay signed up for
[13:00] it's a one year course it's one year
[13:02] course and I'm currently in my seventh
[13:04] year
[13:05] okay
[13:06] they do one year course and upgraded
[13:08] myself once a month sorry yeah
[13:11] yeah so it's a way of course and at the
[13:13] end of the course you'll be
[13:15] um either you don't go for a front-end
[13:17] engineer or back an engineer but right
[13:19] now I'm going for front-end engineering
[13:21] because like you have three months um
[13:23] three months to specialize in that front
[13:25] end or back end but um LX is for
[13:28] everybody it's for everybody that is
[13:30] willing to put in the effort their motto
[13:33] is doing nothing they're training you to
[13:34] do our things because we feel that they
[13:37] feel like if you can survive doing
[13:38] nothing in the um because there's
[13:42] nothing in this world that can put you
[13:44] down as a software engineer like I love
[13:47] the way they do trainers because like
[13:51] you they'll just like give you multiple
[13:54] tags and multiple things to do and they
[13:57] expect you to go look for your answers
[13:58] because they feel like the answers is
[14:00] out there go look for your answers train
[14:02] yourself make sure you motivate yourself
[14:04] make sure your greatest eye make sure
[14:06] everything is okay and then there's
[14:09] nothing you can't survive in this tech
[14:10] industry if you can pass through your
[14:12] legs although like Alexis
[14:19] open it's a free course for everybody
[14:22] but not everybody can pass relax like up
[14:26] to let me say 8 000 people but right now
[14:29] we should be like 2 000 people in my
[14:31] course right now like 2 000 people and
[14:33] as the time goes on people keep dropping
[14:36] because they feel like it's so much and
[14:38] because I feel like air is taking a lot
[14:40] of our time because taking 70 hours per
[14:43] week so you the developing like um 10
[14:45] hours every day so Alex is like
[14:48] something that a lot of people cannot do
[14:49] mostly those that are working nine to
[14:51] five jobs they can't do that it's so
[14:53] much for them so
[14:55] um that's our fantas and that are my
[14:58] career in a Lexus green
[15:00] you said 10 hours a day
[15:04] yes that's what you expected to give
[15:07] into Alex
[15:08] oh wow so 10 hour day for a year
[15:12] yes that's it although uh
[15:19] go ahead okay
[15:21] okay I said although it's not um
[15:23] something that's that easy but um you
[15:27] just have to just do it and why doing
[15:29] that you're actually expected to be your
[15:32] own teacher and teach yourself and also
[15:35] learn outside Alex as well because the
[15:37] way NX trainers is that they will just
[15:40] give introduced to a certain concept and
[15:41] expect you to go study by yourself go
[15:45] make your research and of course come
[15:47] back and attempt to stacks
[15:48] but why doing that they also expected to
[15:51] go out and start learning on your own
[15:53] and learning other things as well
[15:55] because that's the only way you can
[15:56] still survive and keep moving on and
[15:58] keep pushing so what I just do is just I
[16:01] just find a way to just why learning I'm
[16:04] still learning my own learning things I
[16:06] feel like will help me or things are
[16:08] missing out on I learned them as well
[16:10] and I just keep on pushing and thank God
[16:12] I'm not working my nine-to-five job so
[16:14] that's just the greatest thing that
[16:15] could ever happen to me
[16:20] so so once you start the course
[16:24] um are you are you following a con daily
[16:28] routine or some kind of
[16:31] system that when you will study when you
[16:34] will take break or how does that work
[16:37] okay what I do is that when I'm up in
[16:41] the morning of course the first thing I
[16:42] will do is to pray then after my prayers
[16:45] then I will just take my notes and I
[16:48] will decide okay this is how I want my
[16:50] dates look like today I'm going to read
[16:52] these resources that is provided by the
[16:55] enx today I'm going to attend the stack
[16:56] so that we
[16:58] do um readings and researches and all
[17:00] that and then those are my distance I
[17:04] just pick it up and make sure I'm done
[17:06] with this and I take it I take it I
[17:08] think
[17:11] but I don't really time myself for like
[17:14] hours why just make sure I just do that
[17:16] that's why my day
[17:20] and typically I guess eight to ten hours
[17:24] then doing all hello can you hear me
[17:27] [Music]
[17:34] I'm able to hear you
[17:36] can you hear me
[17:39] can you hear me now yeah I can hear you
[17:41] okay okay yeah yeah I can yeah I was
[17:43] asking uh uh so I guess that takes eight
[17:46] to ten hours a day
[17:48] foreign
[17:51] [Music]
[17:58] [Music]
[18:00] yeah there was some break in the
[18:02] connection so can you can eat
[18:06] okay I
[18:08] said was because I was like for example
[18:10] now let's say they want to introduce you
[18:11] like a setting framework the next thing
[18:15] they do is just okay this is the tax of
[18:17] today a tax will just pop up in your
[18:18] screen and then you go they gave you
[18:20] resources and all that so of course the
[18:22] first thing we do is to go through the
[18:23] resources you can take like maybe four
[18:25] hours to carefully go to resources and
[18:27] try out the examples I've been attached
[18:29] the resources and then after you are
[18:31] done with that there are like multiple
[18:33] tasks that is just there waiting for you
[18:34] to attend on your own and the tasks can
[18:37] be like um maybe up to 10 or 15 tax and
[18:40] you're expected to debug those answers
[18:42] because if you don't debug those answers
[18:44] there will be a check for you because it
[18:46] actually checks the code automatically
[18:48] goes your GitHub account and checks the
[18:50] code and if those code is not aligned to
[18:52] what is expected to be there you will
[18:54] not pass to the next stage so you it
[18:56] takes more time debugging than actually
[18:59] attempting attacks because you debug you
[19:01] look for answers you look for partly way
[19:03] to just clear off those areas and most
[19:05] times those bugs make someone go crazy
[19:08] because it might be that okay what is
[19:11] wrong with this stuff it's just like the
[19:12] syntax is not correct or maybe you
[19:15] didn't really write the comments very
[19:16] well or maybe there are too much space
[19:18] or um so white space or something then I
[19:21] read the arrow so like they're so
[19:23] careful to everything that actually
[19:25] those stuff does take a lot of time and
[19:27] you never end up getting worn out and
[19:29] tired and all that might take it an hour
[19:31] break or one or two things well and then
[19:34] they realized that the 10 hours safe and
[19:36] it's not good enough because you have to
[19:37] give you more hours so it takes a lot of
[19:40] time so it's a lot of time that's
[19:43] awesome and you have a system that is
[19:45] working for you you've been yeah since
[19:48] the morning and all do you do anything
[19:51] for your self-care entertainment some
[19:56] I didn't get you
[19:58] oh uh so it's a hard part to to spend 10
[20:03] hours studying yeah you need some
[20:06] refresh you need some other activities
[20:09] so do you have do you do some kind of
[20:12] hobby some kind of uh entertainment like
[20:14] television or some some outing
[20:18] okay what I do like
[20:21] um actually like a children's teacher I
[20:23] love teaching children so that's one way
[20:25] I love unwinding this dress and but the
[20:28] painful things that I only do that on
[20:30] Sundays so most times you have to wait
[20:33] till on Sundays to unwind the stress but
[20:35] other times when uh I can't really wait
[20:37] I just maybe when I feel like I'm
[20:40] feeling suffocated or feeling tired of
[20:42] just being in one place for like a lot
[20:44] of hours I just go out to the fence and
[20:47] just sit and talk others we see fresh
[20:49] air but why I can't do that I spend my
[20:51] time with children teaching them playing
[20:53] with them and just having fun with them
[20:56] and then when I'm done doing that I come
[20:58] back feeling alive and feeling ready to
[21:01] go for another day so that's why I just
[21:03] unwind myself
[21:07] you you you're you're very inspiring
[21:12] um one more question on this
[21:14] I know
[21:15] um you you you're making this work for
[21:18] you you're working six days and you
[21:20] you're just taking your
[21:22] um Sundays I guess Sunday you're taking
[21:24] off right
[21:25] yeah yeah so how are you disciplining
[21:29] yourself like how are you making
[21:30] yourself to do all this that you're
[21:33] thinking and you're saying that you will
[21:35] do
[21:38] your voice broke
[21:48] although oh
[21:52] um I couldn't hear anything
[21:55] okay okay
[21:56] yeah yeah yeah so what I was asking that
[21:59] what do you think how are you how are
[22:01] you disciplining yourself how are you
[22:03] making sure that you do what you're
[22:06] telling yourself that you will do
[22:09] foreign
[22:14] myself is by staying motivated and
[22:17] remembering the fact that I have a goal
[22:19] to achieve and I know that if I don't
[22:21] achieve that goal I'll remain in one
[22:23] place and I'll end up mainly a loser and
[22:25] I don't want to be a loser I want to
[22:27] succeed
[22:27] so I feel like
[22:29] um getting tired of feeling lazy what I
[22:32] just I told myself that okay you have a
[22:34] goal the goal is to be successful the
[22:36] goal is to
[22:37] um get to the certain height to go is to
[22:40] do this for yourself the goal is to make
[22:41] a name for yourself and then I just
[22:43] picked myself for a pen and then I'll
[22:45] just keep moving and keep pushing
[22:48] because I know the fact that if I don't
[22:49] achieve those goals I'll just build like
[22:52] the way my country sees a woman because
[22:55] they see a woman as someone who should
[22:58] be under a man who should not really
[23:01] have a voice for herself we shouldn't
[23:03] really sort of think like that well I
[23:05] want to prove that yes although there
[23:07] are some women that are making it big
[23:08] time for themselves I want to be among
[23:10] those people even though I'm from a
[23:13] river background I want to be among
[23:14] those people that succeed and strive so
[23:17] hard to get to certain points so that's
[23:19] like my greatest motivation when I fell
[23:21] down I remember my goal and then I keep
[23:23] pushing so that's why I stay motivated
[23:26] do you know Queen already
[23:27] [Music]
[23:29] she's an assistant Queen are it
[23:33] no I don't know she joined many spaces
[23:36] but she is an example she I believe
[23:39] she's from Nigeria and then she has made
[23:43] herself her name and then she I just
[23:47] recorded her podcast this Wednesday two
[23:51] days ago and it will be live soon but
[23:54] her journey is an inspiration and you
[23:57] can see that she has done it exactly
[23:59] what you're doing she just two years ago
[24:02] ahead of you
[24:03] um and she went through the same journey
[24:05] of six months of his study and then five
[24:07] month of interviews and then while she
[24:09] was in three years later
[24:12] um she's she's working at people
[24:15] um you can do this you can yeah I know I
[24:19] can I can
[24:21] it just takes time and practice and I
[24:24] will get it
[24:25] time practice on motivation I'll get
[24:29] there and you are building your network
[24:30] already and that network will help you
[24:34] yes I believe so
[24:37] so uh cool we talk about a study we talk
[24:40] about some some uh self-care on Sunday
[24:44] um and I wanted to ask you this question
[24:47] that how are you setting your goal like
[24:49] uh
[24:51] other than you you're working hard right
[24:54] now
[24:56] and then um
[24:59] how are you projecting like uh a year
[25:03] from now or how do you identify the big
[25:06] things for you
[25:09] I can't even phrase a question yeah I
[25:13] mean do you have a kind of goal setting
[25:15] method
[25:16] um that what you will do this week this
[25:19] month this year
[25:21] oh yes I do so like um presently my plan
[25:26] is to just study for why and keep going
[25:29] in a certain direction and when I'm done
[25:32] with that stuff before like let me see
[25:33] two or three months and then I plan on
[25:35] going deeper into the F3 world so
[25:38] there's this upcoming um Community I
[25:41] want to join in and well actually I'm
[25:43] quoting in like two committees but
[25:44] there's one that really want to join in
[25:46] see part of like a woman kind of
[25:48] community and they're going to teach us
[25:50] about writing smart contracts with
[25:52] solidity and all that stuff so I also
[25:55] plan on going to that very well too but
[25:57] why before getting day I want to make
[25:59] sure that my front-end development skill
[26:03] is like at a certain level because I
[26:06] feel like if I don't get in there if I
[26:08] get in there with like a no
[26:11] [Music]
[26:30] oh
[26:32] I lost you
[26:36] [Music]
[26:42] completely lost you for last few minutes
[26:49] always really affects me so I'll make
[26:52] sure that I go to the affecting level
[26:53] and then before telling me I completely
[26:57] lost you for last few
[26:59] I can hear you now okay okay
[27:01] [Music]
[27:07] what is your goal setting method how you
[27:10] decide what what's the plan for this
[27:13] week this month this quarter or this
[27:15] year
[27:17] well okay can you hear me now
[27:23] okay
[27:24] um the way I set my goal like I said
[27:26] first of all I write down things I write
[27:28] I write an answer that comes to my mind
[27:30] because I feel like if I don't write
[27:32] them down
[27:33] I'm not going to achieve them so after
[27:35] writing those down like for example for
[27:38] next two months I plan on studying very
[27:40] very hard starting a particular language
[27:43] very very hard because I want that
[27:45] language to be a part of me then after
[27:47] that next two months I plan on going
[27:49] further into the blockchain ecosystem
[27:52] because I really want to be a blockchain
[27:54] developer as a first-hand engineer so I
[27:57] plan on going into that by learning for
[28:00] certain things so that will help me in
[28:02] that era so by by December obviously but
[28:06] I couldn't say September November
[28:09] December I cannot take him start taking
[28:11] in jobs like gigs that I can help to
[28:14] build my portfolio all those all those
[28:17] stuff has been written down but I just
[28:19] want to take them list so I need to
[28:21] because I feel that I'll be able to
[28:23] achieve them but the way I I want
[28:27] actually helps me to
[28:28] um
[28:30] put them down and keep it in before my
[28:32] eyes because if I don't do that I'm
[28:36] never going to achieve the dreams I'm
[28:37] never going to achieve those goals
[28:40] that's just this that's just my little
[28:42] secrets writing them down and keeping
[28:44] them before my eyes and also praying
[28:45] about them because I always put God
[28:48] first in everything I do I feel is the
[28:51] only one that will give me the strength
[28:52] to carry on so don't adjust it and how
[28:56] do you do
[28:57] um how do you plan them well you already
[29:01] said that but how did you manage your
[29:03] time like uh do you use any kind of
[29:06] technique during the day to to keep your
[29:09] focus
[29:12] oh yes I do
[29:14] of like a reminder
[29:17] to set a reminder
[29:18] so my phone has this um feature whereby
[29:22] I can just snooze all my messages all my
[29:25] messages I won't send a message or any
[29:27] single thing for like I started um let
[29:29] me say 8 am the morning to 8 00 P.M
[29:33] I'm say 8 PM so all my messages
[29:36] everything I just kept on mute because I
[29:40] don't want any distraction so I just do
[29:42] that and I keep myself on mute but
[29:44] there's this extra phone I have where I
[29:48] can only receive calls on people that
[29:49] are important to me like my
[29:52] that's our message for playing programs
[29:54] to me so when I see that a message come
[29:56] from that line I know that okay yeah
[29:58] this is urgent and it needs my attention
[30:00] of course I reply immediately
[30:09] I know
[30:11] unless I decided to check it out but if
[30:15] I don't decide on it I won't say it
[30:18] I lost the last 30 seconds
[30:23] can you repeat the last 30 seconds
[30:26] oh okay I
[30:28] I said that me um
[30:30] [Music]
[30:35] like there's no way I'm going to see
[30:37] your message or calls unless if I decide
[30:40] to check it out well I won't get tempted
[30:43] to check it out it's only if something
[30:44] is urgent
[30:46] [Music]
[30:50] then communicate then go back that's how
[30:53] I just do myself and it helps me a lot
[30:55] to focus
[30:56] no distraction just plain Focus
[31:01] for whatever reasons keep breaking
[31:04] and this is a very hello
[31:08] yeah I don't know why it's keep breaking
[31:10] but this is a very a very very powerful
[31:13] advice and I want to capture it in one
[31:16] go so can we try one more time
[31:18] [Music]
[31:20] okay can you hear me now
[31:23] yes I can it's it's okay
[31:27] okay so like I said how I keep my focus
[31:30] I make sure I achieve my goals in a day
[31:33] or in a month is by setting my phone I
[31:36] have a feature in my phone that helps me
[31:38] to focus it's called Focus mode I just
[31:41] switched on from 8 am I forgot it to
[31:44] just work from 8 AM to 8 PM so during
[31:47] the day I don't receive calls I don't
[31:50] receive messages from friends and um
[31:54] colleagues I don't receive anything but
[31:56] I do have a specific phone where I use
[32:00] for just my those are my my close
[32:02] friends and my family are the one that
[32:04] have those that specific line and the
[32:07] only shot in the open is something that
[32:08] is audience or they come with through
[32:10] that line where something is audience so
[32:12] if they do call me I know that yeah this
[32:14] audience and I picked it up and I attend
[32:16] to it immediately but for the rest
[32:18] people for the best support in the world
[32:20] I won't see those messages I won't see
[32:22] those calls I won't see anything poppy
[32:24] on my screen because it has been snooze
[32:25] that's been muted see 8 P.M the night
[32:28] when I have the time to just reach my
[32:30] phone then reply all the messages and
[32:32] all that that's what has been keeping me
[32:34] going that has been keeping me to keep
[32:35] my focus and to achieve my goals and my
[32:38] dreams and then what can I also do I
[32:41] also set a um should I say reminder in
[32:44] my phone
[32:45] say 8 am no night night we have to 9 A.M
[32:50] 12 p.m 3 P.M 6 PM it reminds me to keep
[32:55] pushing it just pop up on me like you're
[32:57] doing good you're doing great keep
[32:59] pushing then another perfect game around
[33:01] 12 p.m saying you're doing clothes it's
[33:04] just a few more hours keep pushing the
[33:06] same thing like
[33:08] the other side works the um 6 35 a.m I
[33:12] don't know or something like that and it
[33:14] helps me to just keep watching because I
[33:16] feel like I migrates motivation if I
[33:18] don't motivate myself nobody else will
[33:20] do that
[33:20] so that's what I do that's my
[33:23] accessibility
[33:25] I am so glad that I asked you that
[33:27] question this is so powerful I am going
[33:31] to use some of these advice
[33:35] thank you thank you
[33:38] um we are moving to the last bit of
[33:40] segment here
[33:42] um okay is there any question that I
[33:44] have not asked but you want to answer
[33:48] oh I don't I don't I don't think so I
[33:51] don't think so
[33:54] do you have a question I think so
[33:58] do you have a question for me
[34:01] oh yeah I do have a question for you
[34:04] um I would love to know the reason I
[34:06] don't know if you started doing this um
[34:08] starting of this call but I didn't
[34:09] really grab it
[34:11] um I would love to know the reason why
[34:12] you're doing all of this so why why the
[34:14] podcasts and why what's what do you what
[34:17] are you kind of achieve in and I don't
[34:19] know why are you doing it
[34:21] awesome
[34:23] um very powerful question so
[34:26] I started well first of all I've been
[34:29] working for about 23 years experience
[34:32] and in software industry I've done is a
[34:35] junior programmer senior programmer team
[34:37] leader project leader manager and Senior
[34:40] manager and during this time I have
[34:43] multiple things I have started my
[34:46] part-time agency web agency and hired
[34:48] three offshore people I'd run it for
[34:51] like 10 years I have it started multiple
[34:53] blogs I have started
[34:56] um
[34:57] we tried for a year to build a product
[35:00] as well so I've done multiple things
[35:03] writing is one of those multiple things
[35:06] that I have started four years ago on
[35:08] medium.com last year
[35:11] I joined a program right for writers
[35:14] that called ship 3430 they helped me
[35:16] sharpen my skill but also help me Focus
[35:20] that if you're writing if you like
[35:22] writing you write for one person one
[35:25] topic one outcome so that's how you you
[35:28] narrow down uh and focus more on the
[35:31] outcome and not just your desire to
[35:33] write not just your desire to share
[35:36] everything that you're doing so that
[35:37] program has helped me
[35:39] building three different product one is
[35:41] the email course for junior programmers
[35:45] and then second is the quarterly
[35:47] planning workbook where you can set your
[35:49] goals you can you can convert them into
[35:51] daily actions and then a email
[35:54] newsletter so that's how is everything
[35:57] started uh and when I
[36:01] um they kept pushing me for talking to
[36:04] that one person and and for that one
[36:06] person for me is the web developer
[36:09] because that the entire background that
[36:12] I have right I start that's where I have
[36:15] spent most of my time I know how we
[36:18] think as a web developer you are now
[36:21] part of that group what are the problem
[36:24] that they face and what are the
[36:26] different challenges and I have my own
[36:28] Journey like how a project has helped me
[36:30] in getting my first job how I have spent
[36:34] 40 to 60 percent of my time debugging
[36:37] problems right how I have
[36:39] uh my passion helped me those struggling
[36:42] time when nothing was working but I was
[36:45] I was there I was I I decided not to
[36:48] leave that situation right and those are
[36:50] the situation that has helped me a lot
[36:52] so long story short
[36:55] the reason I'm doing this is number one
[36:58] I have a lot of experience a lot of
[37:01] knowledge that I can share number two is
[37:04] uh I've worked for 20 years I want to
[37:07] turn that into something where I don't
[37:10] have to work and I can just help
[37:12] different people and earn money from
[37:15] somehow and then the third one is uh
[37:21] I'm also aligning myself to my
[37:23] retirement at some point so this will be
[37:26] something that I I can do without having
[37:28] a a fixed nine to five job so I'm more
[37:31] I'm hoping that by end of this quarter I
[37:34] will have much more clarity around
[37:36] whether I will be bringing a horse or
[37:38] cohort or word and maybe end of this
[37:42] year I will have something tangible that
[37:45] I can sell as well as uh benefit people
[37:50] right so that that's kind of my why and
[37:55] the steps that I'm taking to achieve
[37:58] that it's some kind of internal drive
[38:01] it's hard to explain but with shift on
[38:04] info 30 I'm able to kind of give it a
[38:08] Direction
[38:09] [Music]
[38:14] you're on mute
[38:17] I think you are on the beach I hear me
[38:19] now okay yeah yeah I can try him now
[38:21] yeah I said that that's a great question
[38:24] though I I love the passion I love the
[38:26] idea I love it all that's amazing
[38:29] and I was just wondering why you were
[38:31] doing all of this because he said that
[38:33] you have interviewed a lot of people and
[38:35] I was just wonder okay why why exactly
[38:37] are you doing it because there's always
[38:38] a white to everything that happens in
[38:40] this life I'm just wondering well now
[38:42] that I know us like I I really I really
[38:45] love jacket and I really love the
[38:47] passion and keep pushing well one
[38:50] question I would love to ask you do yeah
[38:52] okay yeah I've actually interviewed a
[38:54] lot of people you have been in the
[38:56] industry for a long time you've been in
[38:58] and out you know everything you know you
[39:01] know it all so um okay I don't know I
[39:04] sound like I said I'm the one that is
[39:05] doing the interview now though what what
[39:08] would be advice to me
[39:10] oh bring advice to me as an upcoming
[39:15] years to come
[39:20] thank you for asking question and thank
[39:22] you for giving me an opportunity to be
[39:24] able to Mentor you and help you so my
[39:27] number one advice will be uh continue
[39:29] what you're doing it's a very long road
[39:32] right so you did I
[39:38] okay I lost you for a second can you
[39:40] hear me
[39:43] can you hear me now yeah I can hear you
[39:46] so
[39:51] um my number one advice is to continue
[39:54] what you're doing you have a very good
[39:55] system that is working for you and uh
[39:58] it's still five months and then after
[40:01] that uh after that another five months
[40:04] six months for you to kind of get your
[40:07] first job which is fine right which
[40:09] completely fine continue doing what
[40:11] you're doing
[40:12] kind of seems like I lost you again can
[40:15] you hear me
[40:16] [Music]
[40:18] can you can you hear me yeah can you
[40:21] even know what my head was left the five
[40:23] months
[40:24] yeah what can you get yourself again
[40:26] okay okay okay okay okay sorry
[40:29] so uh continue what you're doing it you
[40:31] still have five minutes to finish the
[40:32] course you probably after that five six
[40:35] months for finding your first job
[40:38] um which is completely fine just keep
[40:40] doing that once you get your first job
[40:43] typically take two to three years of
[40:46] hard work in the job where you you love
[40:51] the basic you apply all the basic you
[40:53] you made the relationship you made the
[40:56] relationship with the in with the
[40:58] programming and once you're done with
[41:01] this three to five uh sorry two to three
[41:03] years of hard work in the industry after
[41:07] that people will be after you you won't
[41:10] have to chase any job you will have to
[41:13] uh so go ahead and be my biggest
[41:15] recommendation
[41:19] yes I can I hear me
[41:23] one place I didn't get was one fact you
[41:27] didn't I didn't really get to say what
[41:28] you said about I after my five months I
[41:31] should take two to three words I didn't
[41:32] get that fact sure what I'm saying that
[41:36] um once you finish with the course there
[41:39] will be another five minutes for you to
[41:42] get your first job
[41:44] right okay I mean sometimes you get
[41:47] first job in one month but prepare
[41:50] mentally that it may take up to that
[41:52] time
[41:54] um but once you get you will get a job
[41:57] and once you get that job then uh
[41:59] typically it's another two to three
[42:01] years of Journey where you're working
[42:03] really really hard in that job and uh
[42:09] but once you cross that proxy
[42:13] um Cox cozy once you cross that cozy
[42:17] then um when life is really easy because
[42:21] people will be after you you won't have
[42:23] to chase jobs uh because that two to
[42:27] three years of real life experience in
[42:29] the project will give you everything
[42:32] that you need the most important thing
[42:35] that happened in two to three years that
[42:37] you will encounter bunch of situation at
[42:40] least 10 different situation where
[42:42] nothing is working and you're trying to
[42:44] figure out you will have a use case a
[42:48] situation maybe a production server down
[42:51] I'm just coming up with ideas right that
[42:54] in two to three years you will encounter
[42:57] many real life situation that occur in
[43:01] for a software engineer
[43:04] and while you're trying to solve all
[43:07] that the only one rule which I know you
[43:10] will is to not to get afraid not too bad
[43:15] just be in the situation as long as it
[43:19] takes and
[43:22] methodically logically thinking that it
[43:27] was working it is not working now what
[43:31] was the difference then so that
[43:35] um that kind of uh you were saying about
[43:37] troubleshooting and and debugging
[43:41] that's that's where you learn the most
[43:44] the second part is when you have a
[43:47] project
[43:48] [Music]
[43:49] um and you do that with your daily tasks
[43:52] you do that with your weekly task but
[43:55] once you get the project
[43:57] um you start thinking how that project
[44:00] break into phases and features
[44:04] those are the two different ways you can
[44:06] break things one is uh you have
[44:09] something in planning you have something
[44:11] in the requirement analysis you have
[44:13] some some coding and then testing
[44:18] deploying
[44:19] rollout right software is
[44:24] um contain a lot of pieces do not limit
[44:27] yourself to just programming I'm talking
[44:29] about once you get the job and once
[44:31] you're in the industry always curious
[44:33] about what other pieces are uh and when
[44:37] you building a software who you building
[44:40] it for and how they will use it
[44:43] so that kind of information will will
[44:45] help you grow originally and then
[44:49] um being in the situation
[44:51] troubleshooting going deep and trying to
[44:54] understand exactly how this program is
[44:56] working will get you the depth
[45:01] oh that's that's a solid advice
[45:04] something I should pay like a million
[45:06] dollars for
[45:07] um
[45:08] that's exactly how I have stayed in
[45:11] those situations and I promise that if
[45:14] you do that for two to three years uh
[45:16] people companies will be after you you
[45:20] won't okay
[45:24] I'm trying to know more going deeper and
[45:27] trying to know why it works like this
[45:29] what's making it work like this why it's
[45:32] not working like this just about the
[45:34] wise yeah okay okay have you read the
[45:37] book start with why
[45:40] no no no it's a book from uh Simon
[45:43] Sydney he also have a TED Talk video
[45:47] just search start with why and listen if
[45:52] you are so much into a why that book
[45:55] will help you even go deeper into that's
[45:59] how I try to think different things
[46:00] start with why
[46:01] [Music]
[46:19] for then I realized that okay if you
[46:22] want to know more that's really one
[46:24] circuit of um become means of his full
[46:26] engineering because you just want to
[46:27] know okay why is it working like this
[46:29] why is it like this why is it like that
[46:31] why is it like that so I I I'm only
[46:33] going to get that book I'm going to add
[46:34] it to my list of books I want to read
[46:36] thank you so much I really appreciate
[46:38] this you know there are three things
[46:40] right why is at the top then what
[46:44] and then how right these are the three
[46:47] thing and these are the three things if
[46:49] we just talk about software it applied
[46:51] to everywhere but if we talk about
[46:53] software these are the three things that
[46:56] you need to know right why what why what
[46:59] what
[47:01] and how so when you do a project the
[47:06] first thing is why we are doing this
[47:08] project who is the customer how they
[47:10] will use it and and all that right why
[47:13] you doing that project I'm talking about
[47:17] um let's somebody's building a to-do
[47:19] list right application then click on a
[47:22] cell or Facebook or Twitter so why
[47:27] um and there are multiple
[47:30] um perspective around that why how that
[47:32] club why that client wanted why the
[47:35] customer will use it and then about the
[47:37] what so what will Define
[47:41] that this project have these 10 features
[47:45] right uh it will have uh
[47:50] it will have a login screen it will have
[47:53] a home screen it will have a scheduling
[47:56] screen I mean those are the what what
[48:00] [Music]
[48:01] be developing and then comes together we
[48:05] will be developing and how is when you
[48:08] like start with flowchart pseudo code
[48:11] coding
[48:12] right so three things and you you get
[48:16] everything
[48:17] oh
[48:22] you think in that way uh there is a
[48:25] concept named work breakdown structure
[48:27] I'm a big fan and that's how they do
[48:30] um at the first two or three levels they
[48:33] Define what you need to do and on the
[48:35] third and fourth level you define how
[48:38] you will do
[48:40] and you can use this solidarity module
[48:44] you can use it for uh any any any word
[48:48] that you're doing so you define why
[48:50] you're doing which is what you do what
[48:53] are the different pieces that you will
[48:54] have to do to achieve that and then what
[48:57] are the how you will do and how will be
[49:00] at a high level it's just the steps and
[49:04] then the low level it's goes up to the
[49:06] syntax
[49:08] well these are the I I think I think I
[49:11] need to write this down well I'm looking
[49:13] for my pain I can't find my pain
[49:21] okay yeah no yeah
[49:23] [Laughter]
[49:26] why what and how okay
[49:30] who need it why why why is this being
[49:33] implemented and
[49:35] what is that
[49:37] and what is what
[49:40] what am I going to do about it and then
[49:42] how
[49:43] about what how
[49:46] are you done okay
[49:49] okay thank you thank you so much this is
[49:52] one solid advice to break a problem
[49:54] [Music]
[49:56] you're most welcome
[49:57] you said something about serving a
[50:00] problem I think break it to different
[50:02] phase and something I don't know
[50:06] I don't know if you can replace that
[50:07] path
[50:08] uh breaking the problem is what do you
[50:11] think work breakdown is that some
[50:14] yeah something like that to break down
[50:16] structure of something
[50:18] right so work background structure is
[50:20] you have a problem uh you have a project
[50:23] most of the time it's just one line
[50:26] project
[50:27] um build a to-do list application or
[50:30] build a library application
[50:33] real application right at the very top
[50:36] level is just that
[50:38] the second level is uh okay so if I'm
[50:41] building a library application that mean
[50:45] that application will have
[50:49] uh elaborate a login for librarian a
[50:53] login for somebody you want to check out
[50:56] the book it will have
[50:58] [Music]
[51:00] books
[51:01] and then some kind of uh
[51:04] Pages for list of all the books
[51:08] and then a kind of function to check out
[51:11] those books so that you can read so
[51:15] at the first level you just have the
[51:17] build a library application the second
[51:20] label you now have 10 to 20 different
[51:23] items and I call them what what are the
[51:27] different thing that you will be
[51:28] building and then with each of the item
[51:30] you go deeper into
[51:32] um how you how that feature will work
[51:35] and how you will build that feature
[51:40] yeah this is the solid advice thank you
[51:43] so much I really appreciate this I
[51:45] really appreciate this because because
[51:47] um in my college school they gave us a
[51:49] solid project to work on the bike
[51:51] together they love getting us together
[51:52] with people and the one thing they told
[51:55] us to do is to work on a project
[51:57] research projects recession works for
[51:59] the work on and all that so I think I am
[52:03] a guy like I decided to work on on
[52:06] building a um
[52:08] decentralized sporting system I would
[52:11] say to and we were just thinking
[52:13] yesterday night again I'm going to do
[52:15] this while we're doing this and other
[52:16] but one of our wires was because we were
[52:19] planned on um relative of the bad water
[52:22] system here in Nigeria because of the
[52:25] weekend and election fraud and all that
[52:27] so that was the reason but we didn't
[52:29] really know how or once we didn't know
[52:31] the words we don't even know the words
[52:32] right now say that's what that thing so
[52:35] they know the words we know the right
[52:36] but we didn't know the words
[52:39] yeah
[52:46] [Music]
[53:01] thank you so much for this motivation I
[53:04] really appreciate this and how will be
[53:06] in two part right how that feature will
[53:08] know how if it's a feature will work and
[53:11] how you will code
[53:13] those are the two different pieces okay
[53:15] just remember that
[53:17] [Music]
[53:19] I need to work and work out how
[53:23] yeah so what and then after that when
[53:26] you talk about how it's in two different
[53:29] pieces one piece is how that feature is
[53:31] working
[53:33] and then second piece is how you will
[53:35] code it
[53:36] they will both have different steps
[53:38] slightly different steps
[53:41] okay
[53:44] yeah yeah
[53:49] thank you
[53:53] for me
[53:56] um you said yeah we do this for like 20
[53:58] years now you have been in this world
[53:59] for 20 years now tech industry say 20
[54:02] years now yeah 23 years that's a long
[54:06] long time I have worked with I don't
[54:09] know a lot of companies how many
[54:10] companies I've worked with
[54:12] sorry
[54:13] I said how many companies have you
[54:16] worked with oh how many companies I've
[54:18] worked with um
[54:19] in my current company I've been here for
[54:22] 17 years but before that I have changed
[54:25] five companies in five years
[54:27] which means you're like a senior um
[54:30] software engineer I am a senior manager
[54:34] I was a senior software engineer long
[54:37] time ago okay okay there's actually a
[54:40] seniors um that's the is Phase or what I
[54:44] don't know yeah so so my journey was a
[54:47] junior programmer then Senior programmer
[54:49] then team leader around that time I was
[54:52] a project leader as well and then I
[54:54] became a manager development manager and
[54:57] then I became a senior manager so I I
[55:00] work with different uh team leads and
[55:04] managers and product managers and
[55:06] Instagram Masters so I I I don't
[55:09] actively code anymore but I connect the
[55:13] dot from the point we have the new idea
[55:16] to the point where we release
[55:19] okay I have one question now okay um
[55:22] groups and all guys how did you deal
[55:25] with her rejections and um imposter
[55:27] syndromes
[55:29] projection you said
[55:31] rejection rejection or you were never
[55:34] rejected
[55:34] [Music]
[55:36] me
[55:37] yes oh I have been rejected many times
[55:41] uh and um
[55:45] oh I I had I had a
[55:49] a system
[55:50] so whenever I whenever I do a job search
[55:54] I haven't done that
[55:56] um for some time but last year I went uh
[56:01] I I did some interviews as well but
[56:04] anyway whenever I start applying I have
[56:09] this rule that after three interview my
[56:12] voice will be very smooth my first
[56:15] interview will be very bad
[56:17] second third fourth five may be bad and
[56:21] that's fine because and then after the
[56:24] fifth sixth seventh interview your voice
[56:26] is very fluent like you are answering
[56:29] you already know what this person will
[56:32] ask because you have given that many
[56:34] interviews already and you have
[56:36] practiced your answers what I think that
[56:40] all the questions that they are asking
[56:42] whatever I can remember I will go back
[56:44] and note it all and and I will practice
[56:48] the questions
[56:50] um especially the one that I have was
[56:52] not able to answer
[56:54] and if I don't know the answer I will
[56:56] either research it or I will ask other
[56:59] friends and try to figure out what that
[57:02] mean so rejection
[57:05] actually didn't bother me much because
[57:10] um I was using the system that
[57:12] I will have to give interview until the
[57:16] point I'm really desperate and as soon
[57:20] as you are reached to that point you
[57:22] will get it that's kind of a rule that I
[57:24] follow that the things will not come
[57:28] easy if if they come easy you won't
[57:30] appreciate it
[57:32] so but with each each day passing each
[57:37] week in each month you kind of reach to
[57:39] the point that you you almost feel like
[57:42] I'm desperate now and that those are
[57:44] typically the time when you get it
[57:46] uh the other way I use the rejection and
[57:50] the these type of time is to give me
[57:54] strength later on let's say if I have
[57:57] spent three months finding the next job
[58:00] and I during that month in three months
[58:02] I probably have given 25 30 interviews
[58:05] right
[58:06] um
[58:07] once I'm in this new job
[58:10] those three months will always give me
[58:13] strength that this is how I find it I
[58:17] can do it anytime now because I know
[58:19] that I have done it and I have done all
[58:22] this hard work so I'm not worried about
[58:24] it so that's how I have used the
[58:26] resection
[58:27] [Music]
[58:31] okay whatever anytime you felt like okay
[58:33] I'm not good enough I don't think I can
[58:36] I can do this I don't think I can
[58:38] survive this if I don't really know
[58:40] anything I think there's nothing in my
[58:41] head I feel like everything's just like
[58:43] it's just empty yeah let me have my
[58:46] friends like that so I will tell you a
[58:49] story
[58:51] um when I when I finished my engineering
[58:54] I did not get a job
[58:56] and my father I wouldn't say that
[58:59] instead of sitting at home and trying to
[59:01] find a best job
[59:04] take whatever is available and then keep
[59:08] moving or find another job but don't sit
[59:11] ideal so I I didn't get a job
[59:14] I found a marketing job that I hated
[59:17] every day and
[59:21] and then from there I went to this
[59:24] engineering I forgot your question sorry
[59:27] what was the question
[59:29] okay my question was that was I write
[59:32] sometime where you felt like I said you
[59:34] were not good enough I I actually um
[59:37] so those was the time when I felt really
[59:40] really bad that I'm not good enough in
[59:42] my engineering I hated there were so
[59:45] many days that I felt like I'm not good
[59:47] enough then
[59:49] um three months I I did a six month
[59:51] course and three months into that course
[59:53] I felt like I'm not good enough and I I
[59:56] met my partner at that time for that
[1:00:01] project and she's been very helpful
[1:00:04] she's still my friend uh a year later
[1:00:07] on my first day of job
[1:00:10] this is this is great I was feeling that
[1:00:13] there are
[1:00:15] um so after all these scores I found
[1:00:17] three job and I I joined the first one
[1:00:20] and I'm talking 23 years ago the first
[1:00:24] day I had that emotion that there are
[1:00:26] other people in this company who are
[1:00:28] three years five year experience
[1:00:30] um and they probably know more than me
[1:00:33] so let's ask them uh how they would do
[1:00:36] this project there was a sign to me and
[1:00:38] my friend said
[1:00:40] um they don't know nothing we came from
[1:00:43] this structure program so we have more
[1:00:46] knowledge we will do this project our
[1:00:48] our way and then we will show them and
[1:00:51] they will ask us that how did you do
[1:00:54] this project so they can I said I'm sure
[1:00:57] I like this and we did that so that
[1:01:01] attitude
[1:01:02] has never changed since then
[1:01:06] so I I go with that attitude and I I I
[1:01:09] think the biggest thing when I'm in soft
[1:01:11] when I'm doing anything related to
[1:01:13] Software
[1:01:15] I'm fine I can
[1:01:17] um I can stay with that problem for two
[1:01:21] hours or 20 hours I won't get uh
[1:01:25] panicked or dis
[1:01:28] or or desperate that I know that it's a
[1:01:32] problem I can solve it
[1:01:34] and in these many years I've handled
[1:01:38] many situations now when it comes to the
[1:01:41] writing
[1:01:42] I had that emotions when it comes to
[1:01:45] speaking I had that emotions when it
[1:01:47] comes to even management even after 10
[1:01:50] years I I have those type of emotions
[1:01:52] when I feel like I'm not good enough but
[1:01:55] not for software
[1:01:58] right so I wanted to ask one question
[1:02:01] like um I don't know if it's a general
[1:02:03] something but when you are studying a
[1:02:05] new Concepts um I don't know does it
[1:02:07] just stick immediately like maybe you
[1:02:10] just tell it this you just stick always
[1:02:11] that maybe we are studying you have to
[1:02:13] study it again and again again fantastic
[1:02:18] what kind of person I am I studied over
[1:02:21] and over like two or three times then
[1:02:23] six my brain adequate businesses I call
[1:02:26] those Concepts as foundation and
[1:02:30] once you build I mean it takes a lot of
[1:02:33] time to build the foundation
[1:02:36] um and um
[1:02:38] reading
[1:02:40] then doing something with it like by
[1:02:43] keyboard making a program or if a
[1:02:46] database then creating some kind of
[1:02:48] sample database uh connecting that to
[1:02:51] some real life situation like library
[1:02:54] application or something that has helped
[1:02:57] me uh if it is pure Theory with
[1:03:02] um then it's very hard for me as well to
[1:03:05] understand that but if if I can relate
[1:03:09] that to either a small program or some
[1:03:12] kind of real life situation that helps
[1:03:13] but
[1:03:15] you're investing in that Foundation
[1:03:18] because you're learning and initially it
[1:03:20] will take everything will take a long
[1:03:22] time but once you learn your first
[1:03:25] language or first library or first
[1:03:27] framework applying that knowledge to the
[1:03:30] second one will not take that much time
[1:03:34] I saw your post on domain how domain
[1:03:36] work right so first time it probably
[1:03:39] took you a long time but now if anybody
[1:03:41] asks that
[1:03:43] how from a load balancer to server
[1:03:47] things work you know that right because
[1:03:49] you have created the diagram
[1:03:53] so that's such a solid foundation
[1:03:56] so those type of those type of activity
[1:04:01] will help you initially it will take
[1:04:03] everything will take time and use just
[1:04:05] like I'm saying uh Don't Panic just stay
[1:04:08] with it
[1:04:09] like all right you my buddy I'm going to
[1:04:13] spend time with you I will understand
[1:04:15] you fully and once once you understand
[1:04:17] that you can apply that on other things
[1:04:20] [Music]
[1:04:24] that in software most of the things like
[1:04:28] 90 of things are logical
[1:04:30] [Music]
[1:04:33] um they make sense
[1:04:35] it's not like history or some even in um
[1:04:41] where you just have to memorize like
[1:04:44] there is no logic behind why this
[1:04:47] happened in 2013 no
[1:04:50] 14 or 1850 and why I mean some in
[1:04:56] history I feel like you have to memorize
[1:04:58] but with software and math there is a
[1:05:01] logic of everything you can just use the
[1:05:03] common sense and you can apply some of
[1:05:05] those things right
[1:05:08] that's good
[1:05:10] thank you so much I've learned a lot
[1:05:13] I'm going to apply them
[1:05:17] I don't have any question anymore
[1:05:19] that's all
[1:05:21] well I don't have any more questions I
[1:05:23] can see same to you
[1:05:25] um
[1:05:26] definitely and I will introduce you to
[1:05:30] um somebody named Queen
[1:05:32] um and I I think she she's one of the
[1:05:36] super helpful person and she's helping
[1:05:39] all the women in to to so you will be
[1:05:42] able to use her experience I will tell
[1:05:45] her about you as well because your story
[1:05:47] is inspiring especially how you are
[1:05:49] taking this one year course I wanted to
[1:05:52] ask you
[1:05:53] what is your message to all the new
[1:05:56] developers all the people all the girls
[1:05:59] even boys who want to get into the tech
[1:06:02] industry to start the journey just like
[1:06:05] how you do you did
[1:06:08] okay okay if it's something that I
[1:06:10] didn't know about some upcoming
[1:06:12] developers is that when they want to
[1:06:14] start it during the first they think
[1:06:16] about you just to pay and I feel that's
[1:06:18] your own Concepts because if you're
[1:06:20] going into the the tech industry because
[1:06:23] you just want to get IRP that's pretty
[1:06:26] bad I feel
[1:06:28] um fasting should you need to do it's
[1:06:30] first of all to find out your passion
[1:06:31] find out what you really love because I
[1:06:34] feel that's what to keep it to you and
[1:06:36] also you should just keep studying keep
[1:06:39] learning keep making friends that's what
[1:06:42] you want to do keep studying keep
[1:06:44] planning keep making friends even if you
[1:06:46] are introverts so you can be an
[1:06:47] introvert in this tech Industrial
[1:06:49] survive keep making friends keep
[1:06:51] studying and keep watching and of course
[1:06:53] don't ever feel like you're not good
[1:06:55] enough and don't compare yourself with
[1:06:57] other developers because people do that
[1:07:00] a lot they start saying that okay I'm
[1:07:02] not this this person is that no don't do
[1:07:05] that because you don't know how long
[1:07:06] they have been to the industry you don't
[1:07:08] know probably they are like fast learner
[1:07:10] it might be slow then uh that doesn't
[1:07:12] mean that you're bad they are all in
[1:07:14] this together just keep pushing and you
[1:07:16] get there I use a seat as well you guys
[1:07:19] just want a message
[1:07:21] and how can they do what they are saying
[1:07:25] they will do like how can they make
[1:07:28] themselves work hard
[1:07:30] okay I think you can do that first of
[1:07:33] all by being focused
[1:07:36] if you don't focus on what you want to
[1:07:39] do like just play with all the
[1:07:41] distractions everything that distracts
[1:07:43] you clear them away well I won't say
[1:07:45] that if part of your distractions are
[1:07:48] humans please don't clear where you
[1:07:49] meant no you can talk to them and make
[1:07:52] them realize that okay this is my plan
[1:07:53] for this year I really want you guys to
[1:07:56] be honest thanks towards the span and I
[1:07:58] want to work together today so please
[1:07:59] help me so like don't clear away
[1:08:01] relationships but clearly things like
[1:08:05] for example and I don't watch television
[1:08:07] I don't watch movies I don't go out and
[1:08:09] start clubbing and all that I feel like
[1:08:11] do stuff I just distractions and they
[1:08:13] will help me to achieve a common goal
[1:08:15] and I don't stay on the on Instagram I
[1:08:19] start watching videos and all that I
[1:08:20] don't do that I feel it's distraction so
[1:08:22] make sure you clear all the distractions
[1:08:24] and be focused and while you're being
[1:08:26] focused try to make friends make sure
[1:08:29] you grow your circle in the right place
[1:08:30] because if you grow your circle would
[1:08:32] you want to cry
[1:08:37] [Music]
[1:08:40] because even when you feel like okay
[1:08:42] you're going the wrong way those people
[1:08:43] are going to call you back and come back
[1:08:45] to this direction this is the plan this
[1:08:47] is the goal keep with you so that's us
[1:08:51] [Music]
[1:08:55] thank you thank you so much thank you so
[1:08:58] much there was um in last 30 seconds
[1:09:00] there was some some places where the
[1:09:03] your voice broke
[1:09:06] he said
[1:09:08] uh last 30 seconds
[1:09:11] so I could I couldn't hear much
[1:09:14] after that
[1:09:16] I remember clearly uh I think I was
[1:09:19] talking about
[1:09:20] um
[1:09:21] being focused okay
[1:09:23] yeah okay
[1:09:27] I think Circle I think you were saying
[1:09:30] about the building units
[1:09:32] [Music]
[1:09:35] like
[1:09:37] can you hear me now I can now I can
[1:09:42] um
[1:09:44] who's lucky I said being focused but
[1:09:47] having the right people in your circle
[1:09:48] because if you have people that think
[1:09:51] the opposite way that you do or the way
[1:09:54] you want to go to and the other people
[1:09:55] are thinking like another way there's no
[1:09:57] way you can achieve that goal so one
[1:10:00] thing you should do while you're trying
[1:10:02] to achieve a common goal make sure you
[1:10:04] find the right people with the same
[1:10:05] mindset and make sure you put them
[1:10:07] around you make them your your top
[1:10:09] friends your close friends and always
[1:10:12] find a way to interact with them those
[1:10:15] people are going to help you want to
[1:10:16] push you forward into achieving that
[1:10:18] goal because I got the same way you'll
[1:10:19] be so focused but you just you just feel
[1:10:21] tired okay I'm tired of focusing okay
[1:10:23] I'm really stressed out I'm tired of
[1:10:26] this I'm feeling this I'm feeling that
[1:10:28] but the people that are around you are
[1:10:30] the ones that want to just help you
[1:10:32] bring you back to this that particular
[1:10:34] mindset that particular goal and it
[1:10:36] might be the one that's going to push
[1:10:38] you higher so that's just one of my
[1:10:40] advice and please play with distractions
[1:10:43] or distractions should be incredibly all
[1:10:46] the stuff clubbing and doing this doing
[1:10:48] that play degree but don't ever play
[1:10:52] with um friendships because I believe
[1:10:54] the only people in this industry no
[1:10:57] matter all the person is don't break
[1:10:59] friendships or relationships always try
[1:11:01] to maintain those ones but make sure
[1:11:03] there are people that understand the
[1:11:05] fact that this is the goal you have for
[1:11:07] this particular year or for one or two
[1:11:09] years ago not doing this I mean should
[1:11:11] just be people that will understand you
[1:11:13] so that's just what I have to say
[1:11:16] [Music]
[1:11:19] thank you so much uh I really enjoyed
[1:11:24] this entire uh interview sorry go ahead
[1:11:28] I do I I enjoyed this and thank God I
[1:11:32] decided to walk in and I'm grateful for
[1:11:34] this I'm waiting for the advice you give
[1:11:35] to me about the what how what why what
[1:11:39] and how are we to implement those ideas
[1:11:41] very well and I believe it's a big to be
[1:11:44] a great software engineering official
[1:11:46] now I'm the future so thank you so much
[1:11:48] I appreciate
[1:11:50] you have so much talent you have so much
[1:11:53] Focus I I I'm just waiting and to see
[1:11:58] your journey uh I will witness your
[1:12:00] journey I will also his journey I'm here
[1:12:02] for as a cheerleader anytime you have
[1:12:06] any question if you need any help any
[1:12:09] referral please let me know and I will
[1:12:14] I appreciate I appreciate it so much
[1:12:16] thank you so much I'm grateful and I
[1:12:18] appreciate it
[1:12:20] and I'm happy to have you my circle yeah
[1:12:24] sure always
[1:12:26] thank you
[1:12:28] bye bye have a good day
[1:12:32] [Music]